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Intel Faces Potential Class-Action Lawsuit over Chip Bug Controversy
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Re: Intel Faces Potential Class-Action Lawsuit over Chip Bug Controversy
#22Earlier quoted context omitted.
And so could Intel if they wanted. Instead, they seem more interested in designing yet another socket and asking everyone to upgrade all of their hardware for a moderate performance bump...
>Instead, they seem more interested in designing yet another socket and asking everyone to upgrade all of their hardware for a moderate performance bump... Who's upgrading their cpus after 1-2 generations?
AMD folks, because you can use the same socket for many generations of CPU's, providing a drop-in 10-minute upgrade...
Re: Intel Faces Potential Class-Action Lawsuit over Chip Bug Controversy
#23Earlier quoted context omitted.
You have to look more far back than just the Pentium 4 days. Intel absolutely were some of the greatest innovators on the industry if you look at 70s, 80s and 90s. I would say they simply were the best, but dropped the ball at least when AMD64 became a thing. How the mighty have fallen... It's hard to overstate Intel's importance in regards to the modern CPU: they invented the microprocessor itself. (Though I'd like…
Intel developed and released the first single chip microprocessor, the 4-bit MCS 4004. You had CPUs before that, but they were not single chips. > like the Intel 8086. You mean the 8051? It is a nice embedded chip, mostly because it has a lot of bit-level instructions and has separate execution and data address spaces if I'm remembering the details right. > Of course the x86 instruction set comes from that very chip…
Yeah sorry I might've mixed up 8051 and 8086. Not totally sure, main point was that it's an old ass chip design used in modern products.
These chips with 70s design are very common in ordinary "non computing" products, granted most are Chinese clones with varying levels of modification. I spend a lot of time reverse engineering regular commodity devices, their electronics and their firmware. For example the portable AC I just opened had 2 of these 8051s(?) inside, with an ESP32 for networking which I find rather fascinating. The first one controls physical inputs (buttons) and IR input from a remote, the second controls the AC compressor, fans and lower level electrical inputs (sensors etc) while taking input from the first and the ESP32 handles wireless communication sending input to the first one.
These old low performance chips are found inside mice, keyboards, remote controllers, dehumidifiers, air fryers and almost any other "simple" electronics. It's fascinating how a 70s chip design is still so prevalent in our everyday products.
Re: Intel Faces Potential Class-Action Lawsuit over Chip Bug Controversy
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Yes, the article mentions that a class action only works if Intel isn’t honoring the warranty. The threat of a lawsuit is part of what incentivizes Intel to RMA instead of ignore.
Intel is already honoring most warranty claims as far as I'm aware, the only thing they've refused to do is issue a voluntary recall. So this supposed lawsuit isn't even serving that dubious purpose. As an aside, I have a 14700K. I've not filed for an RMA because it's been working perfectly fine for the better part of a year now.
I have the 14900K too. My machine had some weird instability issues a few weeks ago but I haven’t had time to investigate if the chip caused it.
I guess my point is that it’s better if Intel behaves, but if they don’t we have some recourse. Lawyers are a last resort thing.
Re: Intel Faces Potential Class-Action Lawsuit over Chip Bug Controversy
#25Intel’s probably not worried. The very term “patent troll” was invented by their legal office to describe the people suing on a daily basis. And while patents has nothing to do with this case, their legal department is used to being sued…
INTC 15% down today, they are probably worried.
Re: Intel Faces Potential Class-Action Lawsuit over Chip Bug Controversy
#26Earlier quoted context omitted.
Intel's golden eras were the 8086, 2/3/486, Pentium I/Pro/II era (1978-1998) and the Core era (aka son of Pentium M) before they ran into process issues (2006-2015). Current execution stumbles do not diminish historical triumphs -- Pentium II and Nehalem were and are amazing.
The Pentium Pro was a turd if you weren't executing purely 32bit code.
They fixed that in the II though.
Crazy remembering a time when there was that much 16-bit code in the wild.
Re: Intel Faces Potential Class-Action Lawsuit over Chip Bug Controversy
#27With Intel continuing to flounder, and given all of the issues with their CPU products over the past handful of years - one has to wonder if Intel ever was actually good at designing and manufacturing CPU's. Think back to the Pentium 4 and Athlon days... think about all the anti-competitive, illegal and/or unsavory business practices Intel employed during that era to gain dominance. They literally shut out AMD via il…
Intel's golden eras were the 8086, 2/3/486, Pentium I/Pro/II era (1978-1998) and the Core era (aka son of Pentium M) before they ran into process issues (2006-2015). Current execution stumbles do not diminish historical triumphs -- Pentium II and Nehalem were and are amazing.
>Current execution stumbles do not diminish historical triumphs
Not for those who have "$THING was never good" mindset after repeated, multiple stumbles in a row. You see this with anything that closed/died in disgrace.
I imagine there are people out there who think that Intel might file for bankruptcy/insolvency if they can't right themselves from this issue.
Re: Intel Faces Potential Class-Action Lawsuit over Chip Bug Controversy
#28Earlier quoted context omitted.
Intel's golden eras were the 8086, 2/3/486, Pentium I/Pro/II era (1978-1998) and the Core era (aka son of Pentium M) before they ran into process issues (2006-2015). Current execution stumbles do not diminish historical triumphs -- Pentium II and Nehalem were and are amazing.
>Current execution stumbles do not diminish historical triumphs Not for those who have "$THING was never good" mindset after repeated, multiple stumbles in a row. You see this with anything that closed/died in disgrace. I imagine there are people out there who think that Intel might file for bankruptcy/insolvency if they can't right themselves from this issue.
Frankly - every comment in this thread that touts Intel's technical achievements in the CPU space are citing things that happened nearly 30 years ago, or longer.
Intel, in the past 20 years, has floundered and misfired constantly. It's not a stretch to assert the only reason Intel is still around is due to their illegal business practices in the early and mid 2000's. Intel became synonymous with CPU's because they were literally (and illegally) the only option for 99% of the computer buying market.
Re: Intel Faces Potential Class-Action Lawsuit over Chip Bug Controversy
#29Earlier quoted context omitted.
>Current execution stumbles do not diminish historical triumphs Not for those who have "$THING was never good" mindset after repeated, multiple stumbles in a row. You see this with anything that closed/died in disgrace. I imagine there are people out there who think that Intel might file for bankruptcy/insolvency if they can't right themselves from this issue.
Frankly - every comment in this thread that touts Intel's technical achievements in the CPU space are citing things that happened nearly 30 years ago, or longer. Intel, in the past 20 years, has floundered and misfired constantly. It's not a stretch to assert the only reason Intel is still around is due to their illegal business practices in the early and mid 2000's. Intel became synonymous with CPU's because they we…
Fin-Fet was intel, and that was just 12 years ago. Sure they dropped the ball after that but it was a rather quick fall from grace.
Re: Intel Faces Potential Class-Action Lawsuit over Chip Bug Controversy
#30Earlier quoted context omitted.
Frankly - every comment in this thread that touts Intel's technical achievements in the CPU space are citing things that happened nearly 30 years ago, or longer. Intel, in the past 20 years, has floundered and misfired constantly. It's not a stretch to assert the only reason Intel is still around is due to their illegal business practices in the early and mid 2000's. Intel became synonymous with CPU's because they we…
Fin-Fet was intel, and that was just 12 years ago. Sure they dropped the ball after that but it was a rather quick fall from grace.
But it wasn't though...[1]
Intel didn't invent/discover FinFET, nor were they the first to commercialize it.
[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fin_field-effect_transistor