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The Silencing of Maya

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Post by wissler »

roopeshv wrote: post #320
wissler wrote: post #317

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"Your world would eliminate people like Steve Jobs and Bill Gates." You've got to be kidding. Do you know nothing about the history of software? "If people had understood how patents would be granted when most of today’s ideas were invented, and had taken out patents, the industry would be at a complete standstill today."--Bill Gates

"that's the great thing about internet, you can make up quotes, and attribute it to others" --abraham lincoln so, please cite.

Please use Google instead of posting mindless sarcasm.

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/06/09/opinion/09lee.html?_r=1

Re: The Silencing of Maya

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Post by freehunter »

flyinRyan wrote: post #207
jaysonelliot wrote: post #127

The biggest culprit here, in my view, isn't Apple, PRC, or the patent system. It's the death of physical media and the rise of the "app store" model. I have programs for my Apple //e computer that are over 30 years old. Most of the companies that made the software have long since disappeared, and the computer hasn't been supported since the '80s, but I can still use them. That software is my property. I own it, and I…

> I'm licensing it, and it can be taken away, or I can be forced into "updates" that may change it in ways I don't want. So, iOS apps are like web apps then?

That was the originally stated intention. iOS 1 didn't have an app market. Everything was supposed to be written in HTML5+JS and accessed via a browser.

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Post by roopeshv »

wissler wrote: post #321
roopeshv wrote: post #320

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"that's the great thing about internet, you can make up quotes, and attribute it to others" --abraham lincoln so, please cite.

Please use Google instead of posting mindless sarcasm. http://www.nytimes.com/2007/06/09/opinion/09lee.html?_r=1

please provide citations and don't expect people to clean up after you. and still it's a hearsay, no link to memo (although internal)

Re: The Silencing of Maya

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Post by wissler »

wissler wrote: post #321
roopeshv wrote: post #320

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"that's the great thing about internet, you can make up quotes, and attribute it to others" --abraham lincoln so, please cite.

Please use Google instead of posting mindless sarcasm. http://www.nytimes.com/2007/06/09/opinion/09lee.html?_r=1

"please provide citations and don't expect people to clean up after you. and still it's a hearsay, no link to memo"

Who do you think you are that you can tell people on what terms they can cite a quote from the New York Times? No, I am not going to do a scientific research paper tracing the historical roots of this oft-cited (in reputable media) quote.

Please take your head and pull it out of your ass.

Re: The Silencing of Maya

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Post by roopeshv »

wissler wrote: post #324
wissler wrote: post #321

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Please use Google instead of posting mindless sarcasm. http://www.nytimes.com/2007/06/09/opinion/09lee.html?_r=1

"please provide citations and don't expect people to clean up after you. and still it's a hearsay, no link to memo" Who do you think you are that you can tell people on what terms they can cite a quote from the New York Times? No, I am not going to do a scientific research paper tracing the historical roots of this oft-cited (in reputable media) quote. Please take your head and pull it out of your ass.

you can suck my dick then

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Post by pasbesoin »

retrogradeorbit wrote: post #106
pasbesoin wrote: post #28

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Cynically: He knew the value of PR. Less cynically: He knew the value of children, and that such a situation would be deserving of secondary review and a conservative (in the non-political sense) course of action -- or inaction, until such time as a legal determination was made. This might be one of those situations to benefit from that occasional, "direct line" to Jobs. Regardless of the final determination of intel…

> He knew the value of children Haha! Unless their name was Lisa! Steve Jobs initiated the corporate culture that continues to this day at Apple. He would not have changed anything in this situation.

I take your point, with respect to Lisa.

So, maybe we should stick with the cynical explanation?

In any event, I don't think he would let this situation get too FUBAR.

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Post by jopt »

LinXitoW wrote: post #210
jopt wrote: post #203

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Apple aren't legally preventing you from running anything. If you're clever enough to do it, go nuts. If you think they're making it too hard, tough luck. Their products aren't built to spec; you're not entitled to a product that works any differently than the one they sold you. If you buy a microwave and you want to run custom software on it, that is your problem, not the microwave manufacturers.

I take it you're fine with UEFI Secure Boot, then?

I don't consider it my right to have Microsoft produce anything else for me.

Re: The Silencing of Maya

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Post by jopt »

cabalamat wrote: post #252
jopt wrote: post #200

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Separation of power, like Democracy and other such ideas, don't necessarily belong in every system. Politics/government is not an optional system; everyone has to take part (whether they want to or not.) Consumer technology is not enforced by police and armies, and should be free from the demands we may rightly have on our state. Besides, how would you like to buy a hardware-only car? What about a fridge or a plane w…

> Politics/government is not an optional system; everyone has to take part (whether they want to or not.) Consumer technology is not enforced by police and armies, and should be free from the demands we may rightly have on our state. In the information age, if you want to live a full life, then consumer technology is no more optional than government and politics. This is not to say that there should be a strict separ…

It is very much more optional. Government and politics have a monopoly on the legitimate use of force.

Note that I'm not referring to consumer technology as a whole; I'm saying no specific consumer technology is forced upon you. While it's hard to avoid the idea of it, I don't have to buy an iPad if I don't like it. I do have to pay property tax.

Re: The Silencing of Maya

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Post by avstraliitski »

It's DRM.

Someone needs to build an open source alternative.

Rather than using change.org to lobby for a return of this closed-source app to a closed environment, it could be argued that the author would do better to start a kickstarter project to get donations for a quality open source alternative.

(One that might work for non-English speakers, more than one type of device, etc...)

Re: The Silencing of Maya

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Post by jeffool »

anamax wrote: post #233
jeffool wrote: post #141

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>So? Other companies are free to make the unchanged version after the original patent expires. No they're not. You misunderstand; the original patent doesn't expire. It's EXTENDED. The original drug does not go into any public domain to be manufactured or built on by other companies. Many drug manufacturers make generic drugs, but that number has decreased, which has led to behavior like the larger original drug manu…

> some pharma businesses like GSK, spend about twice on sales and business costs than they do research[0]. Marketing and sales costs include free and discounted drugs for poor people. It also includes costs for educating doctors? You clearly think that too much spending on things other than research is wrong. So, how much spending on the things that I listed (which comes under the categories that you complained about…

Sorry. I didn't see this reply.

I don't thing spending money on marketing (or other things that research) is "wrong", I only tried to curtail what I typically see of cries as "Oh, but they spend so much money on R&D!" "So much" is relative, and speaking relatively, they don't.

A popular tactic for "educating doctors" is hiring locally recognized TV reporters/anchors looking to get out of their business to press flesh and hock pills in doctor's offices as sales people. That may include "educating" but it's definitely also "marketing". Some people probably get a few doses of helpful medicine this way. I don't deny.

But how much is too much? When every nightly newscast is full of vague commercials to the point where even some people in perfect health know which drugs do what, and the potential side effects? I think that's probably a bit much overkill. Especially considering many others will just know "Ohhh, that's the one that makes you sleep good and has a lightning bug in the commercial!"

Also, I looked up Lipitor. It was patented in 1987. Generics were set to enter the market in 2009, but were stopped after Pfizer sued. The generics won, then Pfizer sued again and Pfizer won, then generics sued again, and Pfizer settled out of court. So now, 25 years after the filing of a patent designed to last 20 years, generics enter the market. I don't understand, what was your question about generics?

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