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Re: Ask HN: How are you finding the job market in July 2024?

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Post by thr0w »

jethro_tell wrote: post #66
CSSer wrote: post #63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> To some extent most of the jobs I find in tech seem to me to be societal busy work. And the people that make those jobs seem to take themselves a bit too seriously. I’m not sure if this is what you’re talking about, but people outside of the technical roles in this industry rarely seem to have the same curiosity and passion developers do. Is it easy to name other industries where this is true? CS is vast and young,…

Not entirely, what I mean is more that a lot of companies, even ‘disrupters’, are really just figuring out how to be a middle man of something that is already happening and taking a cut. A lot of the products genuinely kinda suck, and it just feels like busy work to me sometimes. I don’t think most of that comes out of tech, it’s product and business picking these directions and features but it’s pretty disheartening…

You're spot on, but it's worse the closer you are to "scene" Valley/startup flavor companies, and much better in boring old profitable businesses. Unfortunately the former are more fun to work for (before they drive you insane).

Re: Ask HN: How are you finding the job market in July 2024?

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Post by masijo »

As a Clojure backend dev (3YOE), I've noticed the same. Clojure jobs have always been few and far between but I believe it's slowing down even more lately.

Maybe it's time to move on from Clojure, though I really love it. I need to specialize in something, find a niche...

Re: Ask HN: How are you finding the job market in July 2024?

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Post by silverquiet »

thr0w wrote: post #71
jethro_tell wrote: post #66

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not entirely, what I mean is more that a lot of companies, even ‘disrupters’, are really just figuring out how to be a middle man of something that is already happening and taking a cut. A lot of the products genuinely kinda suck, and it just feels like busy work to me sometimes. I don’t think most of that comes out of tech, it’s product and business picking these directions and features but it’s pretty disheartening…

You're spot on, but it's worse the closer you are to "scene" Valley/startup flavor companies, and much better in boring old profitable businesses. Unfortunately the former are more fun to work for (before they drive you insane).

I had a period in the early 10's where I worked with a lot of startups and it made me very cynical (though it could be said that that's more or less my default anyway); it was clear to me early on that most of them were just a retread of someone else's big idea (social network site for animators back when MySpace was fading and Facebook was booming is one that comes to mind that I actually encountered, though I tend to abbreviate this sort of thing as "Uber for dog massages" after someone's sarcastic comment I read). The goal seemed to be for founders to live the startup lifestyle by siphoning money from some VC or other. Obviously the money was a big motivater, but I also got the sense that a lot of it was a sort of status game - people wanted to be viewed as the visionary leader and be showered with attention for it, but they just didn't have real breakthroughs to bring to the table.

Re: Ask HN: How are you finding the job market in July 2024?

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Post by cranberryturkey »

radicalbyte wrote: post #41
cranberryturkey wrote: post #20

It’s been a year ago today I got laid off. I have had a handful in interviews in the past year. The year before I had 5 interviews a week. I’m in Silicon Valley and a software engineer.

That's kind of crazy to me.. what kinda of skillset/experience do you have? I'm still getting regular recruiter spam here in The Netherlands. Even though June/July/August are dead months.

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Re: Ask HN: How are you finding the job market in July 2024?

#75

Post by robertlagrant »

bryanlarsen wrote: post #61
robertlagrant wrote: post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Here[0]. Look at post-2020. The rate might have now reduced a little, but it's still stacked on top of the previous higher inflation since 2020. [0] https://fred.stlouisfed.org/graph/?g=WAVo

But "fixing" that with deflation would be a cure worse than the disease.

That seems like a separate topic.

Re: Ask HN: How are you finding the job market in July 2024?

#76

Post by [deleted] »

jethro_tell wrote: post #66
CSSer wrote: post #63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> To some extent most of the jobs I find in tech seem to me to be societal busy work. And the people that make those jobs seem to take themselves a bit too seriously. I’m not sure if this is what you’re talking about, but people outside of the technical roles in this industry rarely seem to have the same curiosity and passion developers do. Is it easy to name other industries where this is true? CS is vast and young,…

Not entirely, what I mean is more that a lot of companies, even ‘disrupters’, are really just figuring out how to be a middle man of something that is already happening and taking a cut. A lot of the products genuinely kinda suck, and it just feels like busy work to me sometimes. I don’t think most of that comes out of tech, it’s product and business picking these directions and features but it’s pretty disheartening…

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Re: Ask HN: How are you finding the job market in July 2024?

#77

Post by bryanlarsen »

robertlagrant wrote: post #75
bryanlarsen wrote: post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But "fixing" that with deflation would be a cure worse than the disease.

That seems like a separate topic.

It's kind of moot anyways, neither side is advocating for deflation. The 2022 inflation is baked into prices now and it's never coming out unless something really bad happens to the economy.

Economists are kind of mixed on whether deflation is really bad. Periods of deflation in the past have always occurred during really rough economic times. Was the deflation cause or effect? It's hard to tell, but those times were so bad nobody is anxious to find out.

Re: Ask HN: How are you finding the job market in July 2024?

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Post by tracker1 »

game_the0ry wrote: post #64
tracker1 wrote: post #39

It depends... I've been working remotely the past few years for about 40-50% above local market rates excluding a fairly long 7-month unemployment (planned on 3 months down, but took much longer). I have been approached a bit (few emails a week) for local, in-office jobs at local market rates. YMMV.

Role? Specialty? YoE?

Currently employed as a Staff Engineer (position), working in a project in an Application Architect role (title in the client company), and have been working in software for close to three decades.

I've mostly worked in/around web based applications from front end, to back end, to orchestration and security infrastructure. I've worked in eLearning (mostly Aerospace) and Banking more than other industries.

Edit: I have no formal education beyond high school.. I'm self taught and have spent 10-20 hours a week on average reading, learning, experimenting and generally honing my knowledge and craft for my entire career. This has likely held me back in a lot of the companies I've applied to over the years. I also suspect that ageism is working against me now more than ever.

Re: Ask HN: How are you finding the job market in July 2024?

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Post by Yoric »

jethro_tell wrote: post #46
silverquiet wrote: post #21

If I get laid off, I'm going to see about a career change. These threads invoke too much anxiety for me.

I’m going through this right now, I used to be a carpenter and a farmer. About 15 years ago, I went into tech to pay for kids in the city. To some extent most of the jobs I find in tech seem to me to be societal busy work. And the people that make those jobs seem to take themselves a bit too seriously. I’m considering moving back to trades work instead of finding another infra job. I’ve had time to get my stuff sorte…

> To some extent most of the jobs I find in tech seem to me to be societal busy work. And the people that make those jobs seem to take themselves a bit too seriously.

Thanks. You're putting in words something that was bothering me but didn't manage to name.

Yes, lots of busy work at various levels, from switching to the latest framework to redecorating the website because we can, to actually many companies selling nothing meaningful.

And the more vacuous the work is, the more it starts to feel like a cult. You MUST use framework X or pattern Y or clean/agile/... practice du jour, otherwise you're not one of us.

Re: Ask HN: How are you finding the job market in July 2024?

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Post by schmookeeg »

I have seen a recent uptick in body-shop recruiters reaching out with low-grade jobs. Annoyingly, this recent batch seems keen to use SMS to reach me instead of traditional Email.

I have started to put feelers out for a change of scenery, but nothing is landing yet. It feels like the first dotcom bust all over again.

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