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Europe is in danger of regulating its tech market out of existence

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Re: Europe is in danger of regulating its tech market out of existence

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Post by dwaite »

FireBeyond wrote: post #307
dwaite wrote: post #265

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The App Store review provides protections which are not a technical protections. Earlier someone talked about the failing of allowing a $50 subscription flashlight app into the store (dunno if they’d be able to find a citation). This was a failing of the expected business controls. There’s nothing technical to even be done to prevent these sorts of abuses. One example from a while back was banning an internal Faceboo…

> Earlier someone talked about the failing of allowing a $50 subscription flashlight app into the store (dunno if they’d be able to find a citation). This was a failing of the expected business controls. How about LassPass, then? That made it onto the AppStore despite being designed to make money and steal credentials. Maybe not $50/month, though. I love one Apple apologist's remarks on that aspect: > Instead, the sc…

I am unsure your point - are you saying since the business controls are fallible, we should abandon them and have an internet's worth of potential side-loaded LastPass scam apps?

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Post by lanstin »

wondertag wrote: post #732
mensetmanusman wrote: post #620

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Still using resumes, have an ai interview for knowledge and communication skill.

Like many others, we've built a product to do this. I think it gives a much higher signal on candidates than a resume, and is more "blind" in terms of bias than a human. It's based on voice messages. Open to all here if anyone wants to take it for a spin. https://candit.net

How do you get an unbiased evaluation of someone with an accent that differs from your training set? It took about a decade for my friends with Indian English accents to be able to use voice controls in luxury cars. And honestly young people from India have a much more American accent than my generation.

Re: Europe is in danger of regulating its tech market out of existence

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Post by taskforcegemini »

graftak wrote: post #487
bawolff wrote: post #432

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> For example, it’s being used to job screen applicants even though we have proven that AI models still suffer from thing like racial bias. Can't we just say racism is illegal, and if a company uses an AI to be racist, they get fined the same way they would if they were racist the old fashioned way?

Look up the Dutch tax return scandal where the Dutch tax arm of the government (‘IRS’) used machine learning to identify fraud but it turned out to be very racially biased and it uprooted thousands of families with years of financial struggles and legal battles. See https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dutch_childcare_benefits_sca...

or the royal mail horizon scandal. although the software not called an "ai" afair

Re: Europe is in danger of regulating its tech market out of existence

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Post by mzmzmzm »

paulddraper wrote: post #637
nottorp wrote: post #229

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> it’s being used to job screen applicants even though we have proven that AI models still suffer from thing like racial bias I bet they also suffer from other biases that are harder to detect and maybe some biases we can't even imagine and thus control for.

So.....,just like humans?

Humans can be asked to explain their decissions and personally take accountability for them. Even if AI processes were less biased, using them introduces the opacity of relying on models that simply can't be fully intuited or explained. For life-altering decisions, merely performing better than a human is not the benchmark.

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Post by mzmzmzm »

no_wizard wrote: post #690
simonh wrote: post #683

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There’s no exemption from prosecution for racial bias because it was done by an algorithm. If a company uses such an algorithm, AI or not, they will be open to prosecution for it.

The differential nugget is that LLMs and similar tech are auditable. You can audit the models, test for bias etc in a way that scales.

Are there agreed upon neutral auditors or common processes for auditing models? If not, maybe what we need is (gasp!) some governmental oversight.

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Post by GreenWatermelon »

burnerthrow008 wrote: post #493
lucianbr wrote: post #430

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> Criteria relating to the size of the companies: (a) a turnover of the company of at least 7.5 billion euro in the European Economic Area for three years at least or (b) a market capitalization or equivalent of at least 75 billion euro; > Criteria relating to the place of the company in controlling access of other businesses to final customers: the company needs to have (a) more than 45 million monthly active end us…

Sure, but those quantitative criterion were not met by iPadOS, and the EC just said "nah, we gots the feelz" and declared it a gatekeeper platform anyway. Who is to say they won't decide that a 6 person startup with 10 users doesn't qualify?

This is a clear example of slippery slope fallacy.

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Post by GreenWatermelon »

FredPret wrote: post #705
pembrook wrote: post #692

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Not sure if you checked the link, Wikipedia has both Mean equivalised and Median equivalised charts. Americans rank #1 on both mean and median. So the point about the super rich distorting the mean is irrelevant. > But somehow it is just easier to live as a poorish person in many European countries. Perception and narratives are not reality. In fact, typically in economic matters it takes almost a decade for the publ…

The other thing is - though US median performance is high and average performance is much higher - it's not just a couple of billionaires pulling up that average. It's millionaires - tens of millions of them. There's something special about a system that can create so many extremely successful people.

It does so by creating equally as many incredibly miserable people. Homelessness is rampant on the US and the average American is one health emergency away from poverty. That's also the same country well known for saddling college students with life-crippling debts.

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Post by fooker »

stemlord wrote: post #652
fooker wrote: post #478

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Statistically this works out pretty well. If you spent real money on something, you're far more likely to buy it again or buy it for someone or send that link to someone than a completely new product.

Do you really need an ad to get you to do that?

The question is, rather, does an ad increase your chances of doing that by 0.1%?

If yes, it suddenly makes sense to show the ad to the ~1000 people in your target group.

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