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Re: Hello Opera 12

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Post by maggit »

dsirijus wrote: post #36

I extensively test my webs manually on basically all relevant browsers, up to few old versions, and on different OS' and devices. My conclusion is that Chrome on Windows 7 is by far the most 'snappy' and Firefox on any OS most 'dev friendly' (even though Chrome is coming along that way very nicely). That being said, Opera on mobile is very fine, but I still prefer using whatever stock browser is on particular device.…

Unfortunately, I cannot claim that I have tried it, but I know Opera supports remote debugging. You get to run Dragonfly on your desktop and debug whatever's running in Opera Mobile on your device.

There seems to be documentation here: http://www.opera.com/dragonfly/documentation/remote/

Re: Hello Opera 12

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Post by PerryCox »

Tomis02 wrote: post #28
rrreese wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Care to expand this? A quick look at the linked page shows a bunch of under the hood improvements that will appeal to web developers, but as a user I remain ignorant of why people use Opera. To be clear I used to use Opera back when they where the only browser with tabs, but that was close to a decade ago.

Not really. I've told countless people about how Opera really is the best browser, by far, and how people using Chrome and Firefox are stuck in the stone-age of Internet Explorer 6. I'm getting tired to repeat it. Screw it, I'll do a quick run. Depending on how good your computer is, Chrome will buckle (freeze your computer, in my case) sooner or later after you keep increasing the number of tabs, due to the one proc…

>right now opera:cpu shows me a round number of 115 tabs with 1.5 GB RAM usage

That's impressive, but I can't imagine having over 5 tabs open. It would be impossible for me to use that many at once.

Re: Hello Opera 12

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Post by mkup »

gcp wrote: post #16
demetris wrote: post #13

Opera 12 is the first third-party web browser for Windows to offer an official 64-bit version. (Neither Firefox nor Chrome have official 64-bit versions for Windows. And I think Safari for Windows doesn’t have one either.) Does this translate to any substantial improvements in speed? Does anyone here know of any benchmarks?

Very unlikely. 64-bit is mostly an advantage if you have to use a lot of memory or are doing processing on actual 64-bit integers. For the kind of software like Opera (and Firefox and Chrome), the additional registers in 64-bit mode help a little, but that tends to be offset by most pointers now being 64-bits and the L1/L2 caches hence being less effective.

There are more registers in x64, so there may be some speed gain. Or a loss of speed due to larger pointer size and more frequent cache misses.

Re: Hello Opera 12

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Post by maggit »

Spittie wrote: post #37

I really like Opera. I've used it for months, but every time i just come back to Firefox. One big problem (for me) it's their release cycle. I know that many people hate the fast releases of Firefox and Chrome, but this way i get new features sooner than Opera. Another problem are addons. I'm an heavy Scriptish/Stylish user, and there aren't equivalents for those in Opera. I know that i can enable the userscript fold…

In the "Advanced" tab in Opera's preferences it is possible to uncheck "Reuse current tab". In my opinion it would be a much better default to have this unchecked.

With this configuration change "Right click->Search" will open a new tab.

Re: Hello Opera 12

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Post by adamtulinius »

Tomis02 wrote: post #39
Spittie wrote: post #37

I really like Opera. I've used it for months, but every time i just come back to Firefox. One big problem (for me) it's their release cycle. I know that many people hate the fast releases of Firefox and Chrome, but this way i get new features sooner than Opera. Another problem are addons. I'm an heavy Scriptish/Stylish user, and there aren't equivalents for those in Opera. I know that i can enable the userscript fold…

> For example, on Firefox/Chrome "right click > search on google" open a new tab, on Opera it load Google in the current tab. In Opera Ctrl+Click opens a new tab, Ctrl+Shift+Click opens a new tab in the background. It's not a new feature. Learn to play your class. ;)

Nice trick. I use Opera as well, and didn't know about this.

However, i can't think of any other software where modifier keys makes a difference in context-menus, so i really wouldn't blame people for not knowing.

Re: Hello Opera 12

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Post by ishansharma »

Opera is still not getting some basic features right and that is costing them users.

I remember asking for a feature in forums in days of Opera 11.00. The feature was something that every browser has: "Remembering contents of a text field." For example, when I enter my email address once in a website and then come back another day and write first letter of my email id, it is displayed in a dropdown. But Opera outright refused to even consider.

Now, they lack a good full screen mode and drag and drop support in GMail, two real deal breakers for me. I tried Opera 12 for less than 12 min and sent it back to dark corners of my HD!

Goodbye Opera 12.

Re: Hello Opera 12

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Post by anonymfus »

Spittie wrote: post #37

I really like Opera. I've used it for months, but every time i just come back to Firefox. One big problem (for me) it's their release cycle. I know that many people hate the fast releases of Firefox and Chrome, but this way i get new features sooner than Opera. Another problem are addons. I'm an heavy Scriptish/Stylish user, and there aren't equivalents for those in Opera. I know that i can enable the userscript fold…

>For example, on Firefox/Chrome "right click > search on google" open a new tab, on Opera it load Google in the current tab.

Uncheck Preferences-Advanced-Tabs-"Reuse current tab".

>on Firefox/Chrome middle-clicking on the back button open the previous page in a new tab.

You can clone tab, so it's possible to implement clone tab and go back macros with custom button like opera:/button/Duplicate%20page,,,%22Back%20in%20background%22,Rewind%20&%20Back

Re: Hello Opera 12

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Post by Tomis02 »

adamtulinius wrote: post #45
Tomis02 wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> For example, on Firefox/Chrome "right click > search on google" open a new tab, on Opera it load Google in the current tab. In Opera Ctrl+Click opens a new tab, Ctrl+Shift+Click opens a new tab in the background. It's not a new feature. Learn to play your class. ;)

Nice trick. I use Opera as well, and didn't know about this. However, i can't think of any other software where modifier keys makes a difference in context-menus, so i really wouldn't blame people for not knowing.

I'm not blaming people for now knowing, Opera has so many cool features it's hard to become fully aware of them. To be honest I don't remember how I found out about this one. In Opera (and other browsers) you can use modifier keys when clicking links, so it kind of makes sense to use this in context menus as well.

Opera is always surprising. Did you know you have mouse gestures (such as 'close') in menus such as preferences? It blew my mind.

Re: Hello Opera 12

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Post by morsch »

Tomis02 wrote: post #28
rrreese wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Care to expand this? A quick look at the linked page shows a bunch of under the hood improvements that will appeal to web developers, but as a user I remain ignorant of why people use Opera. To be clear I used to use Opera back when they where the only browser with tabs, but that was close to a decade ago.

Not really. I've told countless people about how Opera really is the best browser, by far, and how people using Chrome and Firefox are stuck in the stone-age of Internet Explorer 6. I'm getting tired to repeat it. Screw it, I'll do a quick run. Depending on how good your computer is, Chrome will buckle (freeze your computer, in my case) sooner or later after you keep increasing the number of tabs, due to the one proc…

Apparently my Firefox looks very similar to your Opera, everything from left-handed tab bar with groups and plugins on demand to scrolling through tabs with RMB+mouse wheel. I'm literally using all of the features you mention. I think you can set up Chrome in mostly the same way.

Of course you need to use extensions while Opera does it all out of the box. I prefer being able to pick-and-choose features and I appreciate the rich playground for ideas of the Firefox extension ecosystem. If anything I wish Firefox did less out of the box.

I think I usually use only between 30 and 60 tabs, though it's easy to lose count with tree style tabs and I've certainly never hit a ceiling where things seemed to slow down. But maybe Opera really shines in super-heavy browsing loads. Even if that's true, "stuck in the stone-age" is just flamebait rhetoric.

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