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Dazed and Confused: A Large-Scale Real-World User Study of ReCAPTCHAv (2023)

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Re: Dazed and Confused: A Large-Scale Real-World User Study of ReCAPTCHAv (2023)

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Post by trs-80 »

throwawayffffas wrote: post #44
bryanrasmussen wrote: post #22

Given that Recaptcha v3 is using totally different way of determining who is a bot, this seems sort of like legacy analysis.

From google docs: > reCAPTCHA v3 will never interrupt your users, so you can run it whenever you like without affecting conversion. reCAPTCHA works best when it has the most context about interactions with your site, which comes from seeing both legitimate and abusive behavior. For this reason, we recommend including reCAPTCHA verification on forms or actions as well as in the background of pages for analytics. This…

> It looks like google is done with labeling data for image recognition.

Rise of the machines soon.

Re: Dazed and Confused: A Large-Scale Real-World User Study of ReCAPTCHAv (2023)

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Post by 8organicbits »

deathanatos wrote: post #42

> Figure 3: Image Bounding Box Task > Select all squares with motorcycles I have never once considered this a "bounding box" task (the prompt of "Select all squares with X" certainly doesn't imply it do be), and now I'm wondering if this is the cause of false failures, or if the researchers failed to understand the task. There's a citation on the "Image Bounding Box Task" … but it doesn't lead anywhere useful.

If they move the motorcycle around each time it is shown then they can determine the minimal bounding box at pixel resolution. I.E. you select the boxes with the motorcycle, then I see the same image shifted over a pixel, repeat.

Re: Dazed and Confused: A Large-Scale Real-World User Study of ReCAPTCHAv (2023)

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Post by voytec »

hinkley wrote: post #50
voytec wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sony protects itself from customers seeking warranty repairs with 5 tests in a row, some of which are unsolvable[0]. You then get "this wasn't quite right" notification after 5 tests, on logged-in account with valid credit card assigned and billed by Sony, when even one of these captcha tests was broken. After I did my best to solve 25 tests, I learned that non-warranty support form is equally customer-hostile. When…

Did you do that thing where you talk just a tiny bit louder than necessary so the other customers can hear you, but not so loud you sound like Karen? Also you should report them to consumer protection watchdogs.

Naah, store clerks nor folks answering the phones bear no responsibility for this situation. I do what I did here in such cases - present my opinion and relevant proof to potential future customers. And on broader scale than local store with few window-shoppers.

Re: Dazed and Confused: A Large-Scale Real-World User Study of ReCAPTCHAv (2023)

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Post by trs-80 »

voytec wrote: post #30
buro9 wrote: post #11

I abandon 1 in 10 captchas recently. They're becoming so abstract and confusing, few are on sites that I critically need to persevere with. Of the ones I do, I need to regenerate about a third as I'm slightly colour blind, but apparently enough to not see whatever they need me to see. Mostly I won't sign up to a service that has a captcha unless I know in advance it's a service I need (unlikely), it's an immediate cl…

Sony protects itself from customers seeking warranty repairs with 5 tests in a row, some of which are unsolvable[0]. You then get "this wasn't quite right" notification after 5 tests, on logged-in account with valid credit card assigned and billed by Sony, when even one of these captcha tests was broken. After I did my best to solve 25 tests, I learned that non-warranty support form is equally customer-hostile. When…

Not that I ever plan to buy anything from them ever again, but reminders are always helpful for everyone. :)

Re: Dazed and Confused: A Large-Scale Real-World User Study of ReCAPTCHAv (2023)

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Post by throwawayffffas »

deathanatos wrote: post #45
throwawayffffas wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The bounding box has already been applied. What you are doing is confirming the labels for the bounded boxes.

Again, [citation needed]? What makes you think it's a bounding box to begin with? Even the example image in TFA's answer isn't a bounding box, assuming you select .XX. ..X. ..X. .... (But I've been served images with more "interesting" configurations, such as discontinuities.) (Not to mention that the paper, Wikipedia, & the common understanding of reCAPTCHA disagrees with your interpretation. Some images presented a…

Each image is a bounding box around an object selected from a larger image (different image for each square). There is no bounding box in the grid you are shown.

You also don't get to see the larger images.

Re: Dazed and Confused: A Large-Scale Real-World User Study of ReCAPTCHAv (2023)

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Post by elaus »

voytec wrote: post #30
buro9 wrote: post #11

I abandon 1 in 10 captchas recently. They're becoming so abstract and confusing, few are on sites that I critically need to persevere with. Of the ones I do, I need to regenerate about a third as I'm slightly colour blind, but apparently enough to not see whatever they need me to see. Mostly I won't sign up to a service that has a captcha unless I know in advance it's a service I need (unlikely), it's an immediate cl…

Sony protects itself from customers seeking warranty repairs with 5 tests in a row, some of which are unsolvable[0]. You then get "this wasn't quite right" notification after 5 tests, on logged-in account with valid credit card assigned and billed by Sony, when even one of these captcha tests was broken. After I did my best to solve 25 tests, I learned that non-warranty support form is equally customer-hostile. When…

Infuriating! This should absolutely be against some kind of law and I think it is - at least in my country. Avoiding legal responsibilities by putting them behind (sometimes) unsolvable challenges should be treated as not fulfilling them at all.

Re: Dazed and Confused: A Large-Scale Real-World User Study of ReCAPTCHAv (2023)

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Post by bryanrasmussen »

throwawayffffas wrote: post #44
bryanrasmussen wrote: post #22

Given that Recaptcha v3 is using totally different way of determining who is a bot, this seems sort of like legacy analysis.

From google docs: > reCAPTCHA v3 will never interrupt your users, so you can run it whenever you like without affecting conversion. reCAPTCHA works best when it has the most context about interactions with your site, which comes from seeing both legitimate and abusive behavior. For this reason, we recommend including reCAPTCHA verification on forms or actions as well as in the background of pages for analytics. This…

V2 has lots of reliance on google services to determine if it thinks you are a bot, and maybe jumps to check these boxes for us too quick, v3 as I understand is based on human heuristics to determine the percentile chance someone is a bot and you catch that chance in your code and decide what you want to do based on it.

Re: Dazed and Confused: A Large-Scale Real-World User Study of ReCAPTCHAv (2023)

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Post by blacksmith_tb »

yuumei wrote: post #31

I use AI to solve my captchas now. Pay for the service from nopecha, the internet has been killed for VPNs without it

Hmm, tempting, but it seems clearly intended for use by scrapers? Even the bottom $4.99/mo tier is for "2,000 solves a day"[1] which is slightly more than the 5-10 I'd say I run into on a bad day as a human... Something like $1/mo for 50/day would seem like it was really meant for legit use.

1: https://nopecha.com/pricing

Re: Dazed and Confused: A Large-Scale Real-World User Study of ReCAPTCHAv (2023)

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Post by [deleted] »

buro9 wrote: post #11

I abandon 1 in 10 captchas recently. They're becoming so abstract and confusing, few are on sites that I critically need to persevere with. Of the ones I do, I need to regenerate about a third as I'm slightly colour blind, but apparently enough to not see whatever they need me to see. Mostly I won't sign up to a service that has a captcha unless I know in advance it's a service I need (unlikely), it's an immediate cl…

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Re: Dazed and Confused: A Large-Scale Real-World User Study of ReCAPTCHAv (2023)

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Post by ukuina »

blacksmith_tb wrote: post #58
yuumei wrote: post #31

I use AI to solve my captchas now. Pay for the service from nopecha, the internet has been killed for VPNs without it

Hmm, tempting, but it seems clearly intended for use by scrapers? Even the bottom $4.99/mo tier is for "2,000 solves a day"[1] which is slightly more than the 5-10 I'd say I run into on a bad day as a human... Something like $1/mo for 50/day would seem like it was really meant for legit use. 1: https://nopecha.com/pricing

The free version allows 100 solves/day: https://developers.nopecha.com/
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