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Kogan imposes a tax on IE7 shoppers

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Re: Kogan imposes a tax on IE7 shoppers

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Post by jlarocco »

zem wrote: post #22
marshray wrote: post #19

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So then just design and test with the compliant browsers and let IE users figure it out for themselves. If just a fraction of the sites had done that back during the browser wars then IE would have become a compliant browser.

not really - during the browser wars, ie had such a large share of the market that if you didn't support it, your site was considered broken, not the browser.

No it didn't. If it had, it wouldn't have been a "war" - it would have just been IE just dominating. In fact, Netscape started with a massive lead.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usage_share_of_web_browsers#GV...

Re: Kogan imposes a tax on IE7 shoppers

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Post by TazeTSchnitzel »

epmatsw wrote: post #70
TazeTSchnitzel wrote: post #69

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No, that's ridiculous. This is like taxing the disabled because they cost more money.

That's equally ridiculous. Not upgrading your browser is a choice, being disabled is not.

Not really. Most people using IE7 probably didn't choose it, their IT department chose for them.

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Post by jlawer »

gte910h wrote: post #52
icambron wrote: post #47

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What is the relationship between "assistive technology" and "old browser"? It would surprise me if that tech was only available for IE7.

The apps they use probably have a web browser embedded in them. They may not have 5k for a brand new version

No... generally its software like JAWS (http://www.freedomscientific.com/products/fs/jaws-product-pa...) that runs on stock windows.

No special hardware running antiquated hardware, just a stock windows system.

While I don't doubt there are solutions with a web browser embedded in them, the refresh cycle on such hardware is so old that people have moved off them on to more "generic" solutions a while ago.

Re: Kogan imposes a tax on IE7 shoppers

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Post by Zak »

mkmcdonald wrote: post #64
billpatrianakos wrote: post #62

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While you may be right about browser elitism your tone suggests coder elitism. Yeah, we can often allow sites to degrade gracefully but the old web is dying. The days of static sites are almost totally behind us. We're entering a new era in development and sometimes supporting those old browsers is more trouble than it's worth. Penalizing users of older browsers gives them incentive to upgrade. It really is a win win…

I realize that a certain line must be drawn. However, a large subset of browsers can still be supported. I've found that I can support scripted pages until IE 4, wherein `throw` and `try/catch` are not supported. Niceties such as `Object.prototype.hasOwnProperty` and `Function.prototype.call` were introduced in IE 6⁰, so I can accept complaints about IE 5. A SyntaxError followed by a termination of script seem accept…

We just don't work hard enough.

There are 24 hours in a day, and some smaller number usable for working. What percentage of them should I spend making cool stuff, and what percentage should I spend making sure that cool stuff works in six (IE7), eleven (IE6) or twelve (Opera 5) year old browsers that only a tiny percentage of potential users use?

Re: Kogan imposes a tax on IE7 shoppers

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Post by pwaring »

_wp3r wrote: post #32
ceol wrote: post #12

I doubt their userbase using IE7 is large enough for this to be a big deal. This tax's real goal is PR for Kogan.

Maybe not for Kogan, but most of the DOD is still on IE6, as an example that is something like 2 million daily users. Uber large business and government is were the users are hiding. The reason the numbers are still off is because those same users are using chrome at there house in the evening. There should be a business only metric for browser usage. That would be very interesting.

"Uber large business and government is were the users are hiding"

Agreed. About 1/3 of our users - all of whom are insurers or brokers - use IR7

Re: Kogan imposes a tax on IE7 shoppers

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Post by pwaring »

_wp3r wrote: post #32
ceol wrote: post #12

I doubt their userbase using IE7 is large enough for this to be a big deal. This tax's real goal is PR for Kogan.

Maybe not for Kogan, but most of the DOD is still on IE6, as an example that is something like 2 million daily users. Uber large business and government is were the users are hiding. The reason the numbers are still off is because those same users are using chrome at there house in the evening. There should be a business only metric for browser usage. That would be very interesting.

It's not just large businesses. About 1/3 of our users use IE7, although thankfully there's hardly anyone still on IE6. About 1/2 are still on XP (NT 5.1). Some of these are small companies with <10 employees.
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