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What is the value that OpenAI is bringing to the US right now? Mostly its being used to generate text that fit a query.
What value does a google search provide?
The ability to target adverts more effectively.
Europe is in danger of regulating its tech market out of existence
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Re: Europe is in danger of regulating its tech market out of existence
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As an European, I heard that 60% of Americans live paycheck to paycheck. I don't think our laws should focus on tech companies' freedom since it doesn't seem to improve the people's lives.
No need to "hear." This is easily Googled. Americans have the highest level of disposable income in the world, and it's not even close. Even Europe's mega-rich tax havens like Luxembourg have a lower disposable income than Americans. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disposable_household_and_per_c... Yea I know the rebuttal--"but I also heard they all have $100,000 hospital bills every year!!" The disposable per capita i…
You used the term "highest level of disposable income in the world".
Sorry to be so blunt, but it's not helpful if you look only at the average.
A better metric would be the median because it is well known that the super rich distort the disposable income in some countries (the US, but also some European countries).
I see in plutocraticish environments the rich and powerful sometimes very deftfully prevent measures inconvenient for Corporate but useful for the weaker part of the population.
I admit this also happens in Europe. But somehow it is just easier to live as a poorish person in many European countries.
Re: Europe is in danger of regulating its tech market out of existence
#663Earlier quoted context omitted.
As an European, I heard that 60% of Americans live paycheck to paycheck. I don't think our laws should focus on tech companies' freedom since it doesn't seem to improve the people's lives.
Not sure where that stat comes from - median wealth in the USA compares extremely favourably with the rest of the world, while the average blows everyone except Switzerland out of the water. Also, living paycheck to paycheck != being poor. There are many people with high incomes but poor budgeting who live paycheck to paycheck, but will realistically be just fine if they have to tighten their braces.
That's partly because they aren't protected sufficiently from Corporate cleverly using psychological and other tricks to empty the pockets.
Re: Europe is in danger of regulating its tech market out of existence
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"Just", no. Fence at the top of a cliff (make sure the AI is unbiased and can be fixed when it turns out it is) vs. Ambulance at the bottom (letting people sue if they think the machine is wrong).
When you make specific methods illegal, it tends to lead to loopholes. If you just make the result illegal then nobody can try and get around it by using a slightly different system design.
Also true.
But which way around does that apply? Racism is a concrete example of what AI may incorrectly automate, it's not the only bias that AI can have — any correlation in the training data will be learned, but not necessarily causation — and the goal of these laws is to require the machines to be accurate, unbiased, up to date, respectful of privacy etc., with "not racist" as merely one example of why that matters.
(Also the existing laws on racial equality were not removed by GDPR; to the previous metaphor, the fence being better doesn't mean you can fire the ambulance service).
Re: Europe is in danger of regulating its tech market out of existence
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IMHO the problem has been that FAANG has not been regulated enough. The sheer size of these companies and their market share means there's little chance of competition from anywhere. Though TBF when it comes to poorly thought out regulation, the amount of human time lost to clicking cookie consent/reject screens surely has to be a net loss to society.
The regulations don't require a banner. Just don't gather or share unnecessarily. No banner or notice required. Companies would rather hound users than stop selling them down the river, even their directly paying customers. And if people are better informed of how far and wide their data will be prostituted, then I'd call it a win.
Fair points.
I guess browsing life would be much easier if something was implemented at the browser level and cookie pop ups become the exception.
Re: Europe is in danger of regulating its tech market out of existence
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> it’s being used to job screen applicants even though we have proven that AI models still suffer from thing like racial bias I bet they also suffer from other biases that are harder to detect and maybe some biases we can't even imagine and thus control for.
Kind of like humans in that regard
Except being able to process 1e9 more applications, thus massively more biased and discriminatory.
Re: Europe is in danger of regulating its tech market out of existence
#667I find this extremely misleading. It's not surprising, given the average american publication is not aware of the fact that the "big tech" relies on so many obscure open source software from all around the world
Re: Europe is in danger of regulating its tech market out of existence
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Specifically with AI I don’t want to experience the downside of innovation before we regulate because of how wide spread its use already is, and it’s problems have already become apparent. For example, it’s being used to job screen applicants even though we have proven that AI models still suffer from thing like racial bias. Companies don’t disclose how their models are trained to negate bias or anything like that ei…
> it’s being used to job screen applicants Any idea what software is being used ?
Just an example:
Re: Europe is in danger of regulating its tech market out of existence
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Eu has lots of leverage too against US. Lobbying for actions against eu may have absolutely bad consequences and it's totally bonkers to think/prise that an us company has this much power proving once again that maybe it's a good think eu doesn't have such big corpos
The EU just has to hint that they’d move closer to china, and all this supposed leverage would evaporate.
Both us and eu are heavily relying on China. Even Nvidia sells lots of gpus with small limitations to china that in the end will not change things that much. Or ASML sells non covered by sanctions chip production utilities. All this trade war is just scratching the surface, in reality heavy money are made by all parts
Re: Europe is in danger of regulating its tech market out of existence
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OpenAI was smart enough to build a moat for itself in Europe. The EU was dumb enough to dig it for them.
What is the value that OpenAI is bringing to the US right now? Mostly its being used to generate text that fit a query.
It quickly generates BS text that costs billions of man hours to generate by people doing BS jobs, which could be doing something more useful, such as childcare.
I'm using it to quickly localize our application into different languages, such as Arabic. German took like a few hours to get from non existing to 100% functional. Arabic was sketchy with Arabic mixed with French text, now it's 100% Arabic.