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Europe is in danger of regulating its tech market out of existence

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Post by dudinax »

lanstin wrote: post #356
dudinax wrote: post #298

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Of course they could be. A company that doesn't want a racial bias won't intentionally filter on names, but might accidentally deploy an LLM that can discern race from name.

The humans will do it unconsciously if they can see the names. It is like orchestras used to use auditions where the judges could see the people; when they went to auditions where they couldn't see the people, the number of women being hired went right up.

A human might, but a dumb filter wouldn't.

Re: Europe is in danger of regulating its tech market out of existence

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Post by [deleted] »

627467 wrote: post #291
no_wizard wrote: post #191

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Specifically with AI I don’t want to experience the downside of innovation before we regulate because of how wide spread its use already is, and it’s problems have already become apparent. For example, it’s being used to job screen applicants even though we have proven that AI models still suffer from thing like racial bias. Companies don’t disclose how their models are trained to negate bias or anything like that ei…

there maybe better examples of why AI biases provide deep systemic problems but: CV screening? are contemporary LLM really worse that previous screening tech and processes?

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Re: Europe is in danger of regulating its tech market out of existence

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Post by galangalalgol »

scarface_74 wrote: post #530
galangalalgol wrote: post #348

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I agree, mostly. It is worth noting that until the forced opening of the market occurred, safari was conspicuously lacking in PWA support, especially wasm support. I am a recovering libertarian, and I now see the need for regulation in more places. Largely because of regulatory capture, true, but I don't think anarcho-capitalism works. It just makes lawyers top of the heap instead of warriors (in pure anarchy). Which…

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Because they can collect more data with a native app. A native app is far better from their perspective, but not from the user's, unless it is something computationally bound that can't handle overhead (mostly games?). The last exception is banking apps. They do a lot of weird stuff to fingerprint your phone too, but in this case the user definitely wants them to.

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Post by refurb »

baq wrote: post #492
xvector wrote: post #360

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Why would I want to do that? Do you routinely compare apples with oranges?

The only complete analysis is risk vs. benefit.

We don't look at heart transplants and say "look how many people died! we should ban them"

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Post by refurb »

autoexec wrote: post #237
finolex1 wrote: post #164

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Why would it benefit society to get less targeted ads as opposed to more targeted ones?

> Why would it benefit society to get less targeted ads as opposed to more targeted ones? Because more targeted ads require a dangerous and abusive system of pervasive surveillance while less targeted ads can still be targeted without hurting as many people in the process.

> Because more targeted ads require a dangerous and abusive system of pervasive surveillance

I don't think they require it.

A targeted ad can be as simple as geolocation via IP address and showing local businesses.

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Post by RamblingCTO »

cheptsov wrote: post #189
autoexec wrote: post #180

The EU is free to pass laws preventing gatekeepers and insisting on interoperability requirements and Apple is free to refuse to do that and not offer their non-competitive gatekeeping products in the EU. There's zero reason to think that this will mean the EU won't have a tech market. It just won't have one that includes Apple products which refuse to follow the law. Seems like a massive win for the EU, and because…

Except EU doesn’t have big tech.

Ever heard of Spotify or SAP maybe?

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Post by kragen »

KaiserPro wrote: post #88

A company that provides a phone service (mobile or other) has to conform to a large amount of regulatory red tape. Why? because either a company before tried to monopolise the entire country, or they killed someone. Now, large tech companies haven't wholesale killed people (unlike say tobacco, or talc powder, 3M and half of their solvents, weed killer, most car makers, etc etc) but they have been trying desperately t…

> A company that provides a phone service (mobile or other) has to conform to a large amount of regulatory red tape. Why? because either a company before tried to monopolise the entire country, or they killed someone.

you sweet summer child

no, that's not how the red tape got put in place. the government put the red tape in place to protect the established companies in the space from upstart competitors

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Post by echoangle »

treprinum wrote: post #545
echoangle wrote: post #299

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Of course the influence of the EU will diminish over time, because they are currently very strong. It would be very weird if the Asian countries wouldn’t catch up, which automatically lets the EU have a smaller proportion of global trade. Guess what, at some point, India and china will also overtake the US. Is that shocking to you? That’s just what happens when absolutely massive countries catch up to everyone else.

US has fewer inhabitants than EU (342M vs 449M) yet keeps up with China economically in absolute terms.

And you think they will manage to keep up in the future? You don’t think china will be 1.5x the US in 26 years?

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Post by bluecalm »

toomuchtodo wrote: post #424
maxerickson wrote: post #415

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You didn't answer the first question about whether you think consumers or Apple have the larger share.

I thought my comment was clear, I will attempt to be more explicit: I am of the opinion that Apple’s profits are excessive, regardless of the consumer value delivered. I respect that others may have opposing views that profits should have no limits as long as value is delivered.

Well if EU politicians think Apple's profits are excessive what about introducing laws to foster some competition? You can complain about other countries running circles around you all you want but at the end of the day if you can't make a phone, piece of software or a CPU you will be at the mercy of those who can. The way to reduce "excessive profits" is to make it easier to start businesses which could provide the "overpriced" goods and services cheaper.

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Post by draw_down »

autoexec wrote: post #180

The EU is free to pass laws preventing gatekeepers and insisting on interoperability requirements and Apple is free to refuse to do that and not offer their non-competitive gatekeeping products in the EU. There's zero reason to think that this will mean the EU won't have a tech market. It just won't have one that includes Apple products which refuse to follow the law. Seems like a massive win for the EU, and because…

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