Reddit is now banning entire high-quality domains • Hacker News Board

Re: Reddit is now banning entire high-quality domains

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Post by pdubs » Wed, Jun 13, 2012, 8:58 PM UTC

catch23 wrote: post #6

pdubs wrote: post #3

BusinessWeek.com, Phys.org, ScienceDaily.com, TheAtlantic.com are all banned sitewide? The Atlantic is a pretty well-respected publication, as is BusinessWeek. Why a content aggregator would ban actual content is beyond me.

TheAtlantic pays people to spam the reddit with content, and buys high karma accounts to vote up content. Essentially, the companies being banned are the ones with shady business practices.

So...? I guess I naturally assume that most companies with a marketing department try to get their content popular on social media. Sure some site users may break the ToS by trying to game it...so ban the user. A halfway-decent anti-gaming layer should handle stuff like this without an issue. It seems petty on Reddit's side to me.

Re: Reddit is now banning entire high-quality domains

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Post by lukifer » Wed, Jun 13, 2012, 9:00 PM UTC

I hope this is a short-term salvo that leads to a better resolution; I enjoy a lot of the writing on The Atlantic, but I seldom go there directly.

Re: Reddit is now banning entire high-quality domains

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Post by greenyoda » Wed, Jun 13, 2012, 9:00 PM UTC

Here's an article that was posted in that Reddit thread that explains what The Atlantic was doing on Reddit:

http://www.dailydot.com/society/atlantic-slaterhearst-jared-...

Re: Reddit is now banning entire high-quality domains

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Post by swalsh » Wed, Jun 13, 2012, 9:02 PM UTC

I suppose it is still possible for their content to make the front page either via indirect self posts, or references by blogs. So I doubt this will be the last I find an article by one of these guys.

To me, i'm more concerned about comment quality. The issue here though is a lot harder, many subreddits (especially /r/politics) suffer from people voting based on agreement rather than quality.

Re: Reddit is now banning entire high-quality domains

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Post by adestefan » Wed, Jun 13, 2012, 9:15 PM UTC

I've lost a lot of respect for reddit over this decision. I'm okay with banning users or even IP blocks from posting or voting, but banning entire, legitimate domains because you can't create a valid anti-spam service is going too far.

Re: Reddit is now banning entire high-quality domains

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Post by x1 » Wed, Jun 13, 2012, 9:17 PM UTC

This is the fundamental problem with a static point system.

Up/Down votes should be personal and entirely void from the process of agree/disagree. It should be about pushing individuals closer or farther away from your perspective.

I'd like to see something like Reddit that was more like a network. As you "downvote" something or someone you push yourself away from that network. As you upvote something/someone you push yourself closer to that network.

Then again, I also think thread titles should be editable via a wiki and people should be able to submit counterpoints and they should be given equal weight to the original post (not just a comment but right next to the original author's post).

Re: Reddit is now banning entire high-quality domains

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Post by paulhauggis » Wed, Jun 13, 2012, 9:19 PM UTC

catch23 wrote: post #6

pdubs wrote: post #3

BusinessWeek.com, Phys.org, ScienceDaily.com, TheAtlantic.com are all banned sitewide? The Atlantic is a pretty well-respected publication, as is BusinessWeek. Why a content aggregator would ban actual content is beyond me.

TheAtlantic pays people to spam the reddit with content, and buys high karma accounts to vote up content. Essentially, the companies being banned are the ones with shady business practices.

If this was happening on HN, the majority of domains would be banned.

When did this start being a "shady business practice"?

Re: Reddit is now banning entire high-quality domains

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Post by benologist » Wed, Jun 13, 2012, 9:20 PM UTC

pdubs wrote: post #11

catch23 wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

TheAtlantic pays people to spam the reddit with content, and buys high karma accounts to vote up content. Essentially, the companies being banned are the ones with shady business practices.

So...? I guess I naturally assume that most companies with a marketing department try to get their content popular on social media. Sure some site users may break the ToS by trying to game it...so ban the user. A halfway-decent anti-gaming layer should handle stuff like this without an issue. It seems petty on Reddit's side to me.

A halfway-decent anti-gaming layer just gives these people who have already demonstrably gone out of their way to exploit the system a benchmark they need to beat. And they'll pay to do it.

I hope HN does a similar thing to the domains being spammed here too.

Re: Reddit is now banning entire high-quality domains

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Post by benologist » Wed, Jun 13, 2012, 9:21 PM UTC

paulhauggis wrote: post #17

catch23 wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

TheAtlantic pays people to spam the reddit with content, and buys high karma accounts to vote up content. Essentially, the companies being banned are the ones with shady business practices.

If this was happening on HN, the majority of domains would be banned. When did this start being a "shady business practice"?

This is happening on HN - bostinno.com literally has dozens of accounts, macobserver.com, bgr.com, extremetech.com and a bunch of other sites all have a handful of accounts each. A lot seems to slip through the cracks.

Re: Reddit is now banning entire high-quality domains

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Post by tbeseda » Wed, Jun 13, 2012, 9:22 PM UTC

paulhauggis wrote: post #17

catch23 wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

TheAtlantic pays people to spam the reddit with content, and buys high karma accounts to vote up content. Essentially, the companies being banned are the ones with shady business practices.

If this was happening on HN, the majority of domains would be banned. When did this start being a "shady business practice"?

In which cases are people buying high karma HN accounts and buying upvotes?