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Europe is in danger of regulating its tech market out of existence

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Re: Europe is in danger of regulating its tech market out of existence

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Post by nrr »

ilrwbwrkhv wrote: post #252
autoexec wrote: post #211

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Not on Apple's scale, but with apple pulling products from the market, this opens the door for someone else to step up and fill that highly profitable gap in the market apple abandoned. I really hope that they do. The more players there are in the game from other countries the better off we'll all be.

But Apple also fumbled with the Vision Pro. They won't remain on the top for much longer I think.

Did they? It really felt to me like they weren't trying for a moonshot with it: their sales projection of ca. 1M units falls under the single-digit percentage range of their annual revenue.

Yeah, they've actually sold less than that, but in context, it's still very much a "let's throw it at the wall and see what sticks" kind of thing. It also nonetheless fits how Apple communicates their product vision in new areas.

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nottorp wrote: post #229
no_wizard wrote: post #191

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Specifically with AI I don’t want to experience the downside of innovation before we regulate because of how wide spread its use already is, and it’s problems have already become apparent. For example, it’s being used to job screen applicants even though we have proven that AI models still suffer from thing like racial bias. Companies don’t disclose how their models are trained to negate bias or anything like that ei…

> it’s being used to job screen applicants even though we have proven that AI models still suffer from thing like racial bias I bet they also suffer from other biases that are harder to detect and maybe some biases we can't even imagine and thus control for.

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Re: Europe is in danger of regulating its tech market out of existence

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Post by kelnos »

I don't live in Europe, but wish we had these sorts of regulations in the US.

If tech companies cannot provide us a means to control our personal information, and require us to be locked into their gatekeep-y, nanny-state, walled gardens and submit to using locked-down devices that don't actually obey what we want them to do, then those tech companies should not exist.

I've gotten a little bit of a taste of some of this stuff in the form of the CCPA/CPRA, and it's delightful. Getting to tell companies they're not allowed to sell any of my information to third parties is wonderful. I just wish that was the default and I didn't have to opt out.

Big tech is far, far under-regulated, even in Europe, too, and that needs to change.

Re: Europe is in danger of regulating its tech market out of existence

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Post by kube-system »

xvector wrote: post #359
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The move-fast-and-break-things mentality of many tech companies has absolutely killed people. https://abcnews.go.com/GMA/Family/parents-kids-died-after-dr... https://www.nytimes.com/2022/10/01/business/instagram-suicid... https://www.cbsnews.com/news/electric-scooter-electric-bike-... https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/family-sues-airbnb-19-m... https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/tech-news/rohingya-seek-reparat... https:…

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I don't disagree, in general. Roundup also fed many people. But there are certainly poor choices evident in the above examples that weren't necessary for the progress to be made, but were just disregarded by an organization operating without guardrails. They deserve the pressure to course correct.

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Post by ikekkdcjkfke »

XCSme wrote: post #353
tcfhgj wrote: post #295

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I'd even go to banning all commercial ads, like several cities have done offline. Reasons? Click bait, boosts consumerism, ads imply essentially a tax for everyone (remember that ads have to be paid by the consumers), CEO spam, annoying, environmental costs

> boosts consumerism Don't we live in a capitalist world?

Consumerism is overrated, but we all want it because neighbour has nice thing

Re: Europe is in danger of regulating its tech market out of existence

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Post by tivert »

localfirst wrote: post #386
tivert wrote: post #249

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> If Google or Facebook is in your country, they do not share your country's interest and instead pushing their own American ideologies. > More and more countries should reject American tech companies that seek to interfere and spread their fcked up ideologies in the host country. I'd go father: even in America they don't share their country's interest and instead are pushing their own Silicon Valley ideologies (e.g.…

to be exact, San Francisco ideology shaped by the images of their limitless compassion now spreading world wide and raising questions.

> to be exact, San Francisco ideology shaped by the images of their limitless compassion now spreading world wide and raising questions.

Are you talking about the homeless encampments? I suppose that's another part of it.

But I was thinking about the ideology that says that more computerization (and less friction) is always more better. Basically, "We care about teen mental health, just as long as those teens are still glued all day to Instagram, even if Instagram itself is the problem."

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Post by TylerE »

ekianjo wrote: post #389
lanstin wrote: post #355

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They send resumes with the same accomplishments and names that indicate race and observe the relative degrees of acceptance. Everytime they do this test, considerable bias is found to still exist.

remove names then. problem solved.

There are still plenty of proxies that can amount to the same thing. Not a lot of white graduates of HBCUs, for instance. Are we removing the names of all schools, too?

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Post by Barrin92 »

refurb wrote: post #373
bamboozled wrote: post #215

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How important “big tech” though? Honestly ? It’s even an insidious sounding name.

How important is technological industry? Pretty damn important I'd say if you're interested in economic growth and hence supporting your social safety net.

The technological industry is indeed very important, the mistake is thinking VR goggles and chatbots are somehow the only or even particularly relevant form of technology. Europe is of course full of high technology firms, (the awkwardly named https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blue_Banana) contains a non trivial amount of high value added industry in the world.

What we need more of these days is 155 mm shells, chip fabs, nuclear power plants, solar cells and rail, not Facebook and Apple equivalents complaining about regulations.

Re: Europe is in danger of regulating its tech market out of existence

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Post by BobbyJo »

627467 wrote: post #291
no_wizard wrote: post #191

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Specifically with AI I don’t want to experience the downside of innovation before we regulate because of how wide spread its use already is, and it’s problems have already become apparent. For example, it’s being used to job screen applicants even though we have proven that AI models still suffer from thing like racial bias. Companies don’t disclose how their models are trained to negate bias or anything like that ei…

there maybe better examples of why AI biases provide deep systemic problems but: CV screening? are contemporary LLM really worse that previous screening tech and processes?

I think a worse feature for them to have is consistency. Imagine being someone that has fallen through the cracks of software a significant number of employers are using... Basically soft-locked out of employment with no recourse.
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