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Newegg: No, We'll Totally Take Returns After You Install Linux

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Re: Newegg: No, We'll Totally Take Returns After You Install Linux

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>Why is "we made a mistake, we're offering to fix it" not enough? Because I don't want to have to waste my time trying to drum up media attention when it happens to me. >What more could they say? Explain how this mistake happened in the first place, and what they are doing to prevent it from happening again. It doesn't help me that I may be able to publicly shame them into giving me an RMA. I want to know that I will…

> Because I don't want to have to waste my time trying to drum up media attention when it happens to me. You could just e-mail customer service with a link to this article.

Which is supposed to accomplish what? If they are actually refusing RMAs deliberately, then privately pointing out that they shouldn't isn't going to do anything.

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What they need is a post-mortem and a transparent analysis of the situation posted on their website, similar to what Heroku did with their outage. If they can show that the reason why this occurred was because of a break in a process, and this process was fixed, then I wouldn't have any problems with Newegg. If the refund was a one-off situation to quiet the public outcry, and they don't care about fixing their gener…

Why? Why is "we made a mistake, we're offering to fix it" not enough? What more could they say? Do you want the name of the rep who made the mistake? Do you want them fired? Neither one of these seems remotely reasonable, but I'm not sure what else you could want. It was a simple human error. Customer service agent was wrong about the policy. It happens.

> wrong about the policy

In that case, it's interesting that they had RMA form boilerplate for the situation.

Re: Newegg: No, We'll Totally Take Returns After You Install Linux

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Looks like this approach is useful for more than just "google disabled my account that runs my legitimate business" cases.

How do you think the guys at Newegg feel about this? How would you feel if this was the norm for how your customers escalated their cases with your company?

Id try to make sure that there was never any such need for this kind of "escalation". Escalation means someone, somewhere, screwed up.

Re: Newegg: No, We'll Totally Take Returns After You Install Linux

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What they need is a post-mortem and a transparent analysis of the situation posted on their website, similar to what Heroku did with their outage. If they can show that the reason why this occurred was because of a break in a process, and this process was fixed, then I wouldn't have any problems with Newegg. If the refund was a one-off situation to quiet the public outcry, and they don't care about fixing their gener…

Do you forget that Amazon basically deleted books from your Kindle (1984) ? It was ironic and it was in the news and they had pretty much the same response (we were sorry). For newegg its probably going to be the same way. People forget if its a one in a while.

I don't know about him, but for me that's one of the reasons why I still have no interest in a Kindle, or any DRM'd ebook platform. I give Amazon lots of money for other types of goods (~100-120 orders a year according to my invoice history... yikes), but not much for books any more.

Re: Newegg: No, We'll Totally Take Returns After You Install Linux

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Generally speaking you don't want a screen to break no matter what signals you put into it. It would really suck if a virus could actually destroy your computer.

True, but hardware failures are known to happen due to Linux misbehavior (yes, even today--it might happen with mainstream OSes but I've never heard about it). I agree that ideally the hardware should be robust about it, but from a practical perspective it's a lot easier for a niche OS to fix their bugs than to get manufacturers to test those corner cases.

> True, but hardware failures are known to happen due to Linux misbehavior

[citation needed]

In the past, Linux was blamed for memory failure because it exposed bad memory when trying to make use of it, and Windows on the same machine didn't. But it was not Linux's fault.

Re: Newegg: No, We'll Totally Take Returns After You Install Linux

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post #47

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>It was a simple human error. Customer service agent was wrong about the policy How do you know this? Personally, I know this because they've never given me a word of trouble on an RMA when I've done this, and Newegg's record is so staggeringly positive that I'm willing to give them the benefit of the doubt. It feels like you're making a mountain out of a molehill here (it sort of reads like you have an axe to grind…

>It feels like you're making a mountain out of a molehill here (it sort of reads like you have an axe to grind about them, but I'm not going to accuse you of it without proof) That is an accusation, trying to backhandedly hide it behind "I'm not going to do exactly what I am doing right now" is just as disingenuous as people who say things like "not to be a dick, but ..." as they proceed to be a dick. >but as far as…

Moving rapidly off-topic:

That is an accusation, trying to backhandedly hide it behind "I'm not going to do exactly what I am doing right now" is just as disingenuous as people who say things like "not to be a dick, but ..." as they proceed to be a dick

http://www.virtualsalt.com/rhetoric4.htm#Apophasis

I'm often surprised by discovering certain rhetorical devices that are old and widely spread enough to have their own name.

Re: Newegg: No, We'll Totally Take Returns After You Install Linux

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post #51

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True, but hardware failures are known to happen due to Linux misbehavior (yes, even today--it might happen with mainstream OSes but I've never heard about it). I agree that ideally the hardware should be robust about it, but from a practical perspective it's a lot easier for a niche OS to fix their bugs than to get manufacturers to test those corner cases.

> True, but hardware failures are known to happen due to Linux misbehavior [citation needed] In the past, Linux was blamed for memory failure because it exposed bad memory when trying to make use of it, and Windows on the same machine didn't. But it was not Linux's fault.

Look elsewhere in this thread re: the Zenbook issues. They're mostly fixed now (maybe even entirely), but at one point it was possible to damage them with certain combinations of settings.

Re: Newegg: No, We'll Totally Take Returns After You Install Linux

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> Because I don't want to have to waste my time trying to drum up media attention when it happens to me. You could just e-mail customer service with a link to this article.

Which is supposed to accomplish what? If they are actually refusing RMAs deliberately, then privately pointing out that they shouldn't isn't going to do anything.

But privately pointing out that "I know I can make a fuss like this guy so let's just save each other some time and cut to the point" very well might.

Re: Newegg: No, We'll Totally Take Returns After You Install Linux

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>It was a simple human error. Customer service agent was wrong about the policy How do you know this? Personally, I know this because they've never given me a word of trouble on an RMA when I've done this, and Newegg's record is so staggeringly positive that I'm willing to give them the benefit of the doubt. It feels like you're making a mountain out of a molehill here (it sort of reads like you have an axe to grind…

>It feels like you're making a mountain out of a molehill here (it sort of reads like you have an axe to grind about them, but I'm not going to accuse you of it without proof) That is an accusation, trying to backhandedly hide it behind "I'm not going to do exactly what I am doing right now" is just as disingenuous as people who say things like "not to be a dick, but ..." as they proceed to be a dick. >but as far as…

> That is an accusation, trying to backhandedly hide it behind "I'm not going to do exactly what I am doing right now" is just as disingenuous as people who say things like "not to be a dick, but ..." as they proceed to be a dick.

No, I'm saying that you sound like you have an axe to grind. I don't know if you do. Do you? Whether yes or no, your post still sounded like you did.

If I thought you had an axe to grind with them, with evidence, I'd have said so. Given your continued posting in the same tone it's difficult to tell whether you're just inherently hostile, have a general "business bad" mindset, or specifically dislike Newegg, but at this point it certainly does seem like you've got an axe to grind with somebody. Nobody acts like you're acting without at least some reason.

> That's wonderful for you. How does it follow then that everyone else should also just accept your belief in them on blind faith? The question was "why is this not good enough?". I explained why.

The standards you expect Newegg to reach are absolutely insane given their size and the triviality of this issue[1]--and that, given the very widespread amount of goodwill toward the company, that you're absolutely flying off the handle. And that the ridiculous standards you want them to meet are a large part of why it sounds like you've got a personal beef with them.

[1] - I mean, c'mon--as stated elsewhere in the thread, the original complainant went public while Newegg was dealing with the RMA appeal. They have a process if you think a RMA was denied in error (I've used it before, and they got it right). If they'd said no to that, I would give the complainant significantly more weight, but given that Newegg has a nearly-universally-positive public opinion in geek circles, it reads like a huge stretch to paint this as some gigantic failure rather than an individual issue of process. Getting the pitchforks and torches out before confirming malice is stupid.

Re: Newegg: No, We'll Totally Take Returns After You Install Linux

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Wow, that flipped amazingly fast.

I'd imagine the intersection between "people who build their own computers" and "people who might install Linux" is pretty large.

A better choice in wording might be "comparatively large".

(As a portion of people who build their own computers, it is probably still not anywhere near a majority)

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