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American Suburbs Are a Horror Movie and We're the Protagonists

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Re: American Suburbs Are a Horror Movie and We're the Protagonists

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I was living, now circa 8 years ago, in a big city, now I'm living in the french Alps and I have exactly ZERO intention to come back in a prisons named city. USA suburbs for my little US experience have a simple issue: they are residential ONLY. Here we have sparse homes AND commerce of various kind, in few km/miles from my home there are a handful of other homes, but also a small supermarket, a blacksmith shed, a br…

I do not think you would be happy if suburbs came to French Alps.

They can't came unless major revolutions happen because the country is not organized like "dense cities, vast residential-only suburbs and the countryside", France compared to USA it's much smaller so while not that dense compared to the rest of the EU there is no room to grow big cities and endless suburbs, beside that most french love to be outside (the opposite for the part of the USA I know) so they love to have small farms, schools with nature around, marching under the trees etc, they do NOT like the "artificial nature" of a suburb not much the artificial environment of a dense city.

The point though it's simply that USA suburbs could easily became much better simply adding a bit of commerce, while dense cities can't be made livable without redesigning so rebuilding them. In costs terms improving a USA-style suburb is damn cheap even in an era of recession and scarce resources, quick and done could create a new-old-local-economy that's essentially the "Strong Town" economic model, minus the density because with today tech we need more space. Rebuild a city... Good luck... The Saudis (who are stuffed of money) have tried ONE city alone and they essentially give up. IMF in Turkmenistan funded Arkadag, a substantial failure even if the country is rich in resources and a dictatorship strong enough to do pretty anything without much opposition in between. Now try to imaging something "a bit bigger" like NY...

Long story short: in the past cities was a NEEDED nightmare, full of pollution, issues, but full also of services, of knowledge, factories, ... the core of any economy in any country, the place where innovation happen, decisions was made and so on. With modern logistics (starting from the '80s) it became cheaper moving factories away where land was cheaper and there was no local constraint to expansions or costs for contraction when needed, with modern remote work the office is not needed anymore because "paper works" are now digital, do not demand local physical presence etc so cities have lost essentially their last purposes. They are now just needed by big finance that to fund itself need consumer depending on anything, not owning nothing to be kept in line with social score and prices. We can't re-create the old "small town" model, simply because today jobs and tech demand something else, while we can re-create a distributed model apt to the present world, able to cope with climate, social and technological change using not too much resources to be made.

Do you really think an NT tower can implement the green new deal heating, cooling and functioning on p.v.? Do you think we can even made so much needed steel to build new, well insulated, Sun shielded etc ones with renewables? On the other side we can cut trees and produce panels, lumbers etc for small homes on renewable, modern architecture scale well for all climate, some design element changes, like the thickness of the insulation, the elements to shadow the Sun in summer etc, but the overall design it's the same from poles to the tropics, heating and cooling, ventilation systems as well, so we have the largest industrial scale possible, we still can't be only on renewables on scale, factories consume still too much, producing steel so far need coke and so on, but we can made a big step toward general electrification is this model, we can't in cities. Yes, you can electrically heating a '60s tower, but we can't produce enough electricity for all buildings if they all demand that much and we can't anyway evolve an existing building more than a bit. In single family homes adding p.v. is very easy in nearly all buildings where it's reasonable to install p.v., placing a big hot water tank for thermodynamic heating it's not much an issue as well, recharging and EV at home similarly and so on. On contrary you can't do much in a condo without rebuild it in most cases. That's the real point.

We witness a big pro-urban campaign backed by big money because big money need smart cities, but the rest of the humanity need something else and actually we can't even build smart cities for all while we probably can build accommodations for all in a spread model, not so comfy for all perhaps, but still enough to live and evolve.

Re: American Suburbs Are a Horror Movie and We're the Protagonists

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>There were two reasons why. One was that there is no easy path to our grocery store (unless you’re in a car, of course): Where I live, walking in suburbs is not an issue, neither is biking, no matter where. But a relative had a 4 month summer job stint in the midwest and they put him up in a wealthy suburban home. So, I brought my bicycle to explore the area for a 2 week visit. Riding in that area was damn scary, an…

Michigan, especially the Detroit area, is kind of a car state.

There are some newer suburbs of Detroit that did a better job, but yeah, the Motor City was geared toward cars. (I grew up there.)

Re: American Suburbs Are a Horror Movie and We're the Protagonists

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Should be tagged with 2022, and the flagging makes sense.

This whole site appears to be an urbanist propaganda site. Suburbs are evil, suburbs are racist, suburbs are stealing our money, suburbs are... Here's how to "organize" a Community Action Committee to rail against suburbs

The thing about big cities is the government has way more control over your daily life if you're stuck in one place.

Re: American Suburbs Are a Horror Movie and We're the Protagonists

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The whole reason that people _like_ suburbs is that they are not mixed in with commercial uses. The houses are only near other houses, plus a few churches, parks, cemeteries, schools, etc. If you take that away, you take away what people like about them.

So churches and cemeteries need to be within walking distance, but a small mom & pop corner store is absolutely horrifying?

You are the one using words like “horrifying”. Folk who like the suburbs just think that the store should be further away than the church. That’s all. The store isn't horrifying, it’s just commercial.

Re: American Suburbs Are a Horror Movie and We're the Protagonists

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Yeah, but both can be true. It can be possible to build a walkable suburb with SFHs and a downtown. That's how older suburbs in Baltimore, Northern NJ, DC and others were built.

My biggest issue with suburbs is that they are all built around the car being the ONLY method of transport. Public transit options are essentially non-existent and walking is extremely impractical due to everything being planned around cars.

When you combine this with the suburbs being cheaper than living the city, you get people who are, rightfully, pissed about the conditions they need to live in.

Re: American Suburbs Are a Horror Movie and We're the Protagonists

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The term "wanted peace" includes the millions of people who built homes in the suburbs due to anxiety over desegregation in the cities, and preferred the peace of living in an area with an almost all white population, of similar economic status, and where the laws inhibited change in the status quo.

Are you implying that living in the suburbs is racist?

There's the term "white flight" for a reason.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

The whole reason that people _like_ suburbs is that they are not mixed in with commercial uses. The houses are only near other houses, plus a few churches, parks, cemeteries, schools, etc. If you take that away, you take away what people like about them.

Why? What's wrong in a supermarket, a 500m² (~5400ft²) shed one km (0.6 miles) from your home? It's not open 24/7, it does not smell or smoke, generate special noise, heat and so on. In between a pine wood, a small lake, a bit of grass. My nearest neighbor "pollute" much more with: - noisy party in summer till early morning - smelly fertilizer for his garden - noisy DIY hobby in early morning and late evening of cour…

Nothing, to you. But commercial places are commercial. The idea behind a suburb is that the only thing near you are your neighbors, and a few amenities such as churches and parks and elementary schools. The sound of a party or of children playing is not noise. Even the drone of a lawn mower is not noise. If you can smell your neighbor’s fertilizer, then you don’t live in a suburb (or he used way too much and killed all his plants).

Re: American Suburbs Are a Horror Movie and We're the Protagonists

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Millions of people all across the country built homes in suburbs because they wanted peace. They’re not horrifying. Even if you personally find them dull, they are a nice way to live for many others. Even if yours is badly built, many are not. Parking garages are not creepy, they’re just utilitarian. They overstate their case by pointing to one place that they don’t like and generalizing that to all suburbs.

The term "wanted peace" includes the millions of people who built homes in the suburbs due to anxiety over desegregation in the cities, and preferred the peace of living in an area with an almost all white population, of similar economic status, and where the laws inhibited change in the status quo.

No, they literally wanted peace after coming home from a horrifying world war. Or from a horrifying non—world war.

Re: American Suburbs Are a Horror Movie and We're the Protagonists

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

The term "wanted peace" includes the millions of people who built homes in the suburbs due to anxiety over desegregation in the cities, and preferred the peace of living in an area with an almost all white population, of similar economic status, and where the laws inhibited change in the status quo.

Are you implying that living in the suburbs is racist?

The existence of suburbs was heavily driven by racism, and some suburbs are still.
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