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Re: More delays for Euston's HS2 station

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Post by panick21_ »

IlllIIl wrote: post #122
panick21_ wrote: post #120

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> Depends what you mean by "help". blablabla right wing/TURF propaganda. > And for minors, the Cass Review No it didn't, its a report many people disagree including many medical organization disagree with. And anyway even if the Cass Review was true, that is not at all indicative that the Toris are not anti-Trans people. The report was weaponized as political tool. > Already being funded. Ahh see what my point is the…

> blablabla Low intelligence reactive response. Would you like to try again with something more rational? > No it didn't, its a report many people disagree including many medical organization disagree with. I've yet to see a substantive critique of the Review that challenges its key points. So far it's just been ideological disagreement. > Ahh see what my point is then? No, because the schools with this issue (assumi…

Clearly my point was the tories being against something is no reason not to do something. Tories not being for something and maybe reversing it in the future is no reason not to do something.

And im not gone have a debate about trans stuff on HN in a train thread. Specially because you brought up a report that didn't have anything to do with the point I made about the tories.

Re: More delays for Euston's HS2 station

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Post by panick21_ »

alias_neo wrote: post #76
harry_ord wrote: post #73

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What you're describing isn't a war on drivers just poor infrastructure and bad decisions. For all these issues no alternatives have been made no ones benefiting.

I've already pointed out that may have been the wrong phrase, but, I'm not suggesting anyone's winning, but plenty are losing by stupid decisions consistently being made, that disproportionately affect the under-privileged. I'm not talking about drivers vs cyclists, or whatever, I'm talking about people who _need_ to drive for their livelihood; it shouldn't be reserved for those of us who can afford the annual insura…

I dont disgree with you on some points.

But using 'war on drivers' is very politocally charged slogen that stands for opposition the pretty much anything to with anything other then 'more highways'. Its literally a far right wing slogan.

I agree that there are lots of unneed subsidies for rich electric car buyers. And investment for those people.

Parking however geneally should be far more expensive, they are massive actually gigantic subsidy that drivers have been benefiting from for decades.

Insurance increases could be reduced by having less accident in total, meaning slower streets, better road design, more bycicles. Not sure what else governments should do about insurance. The NHS is already a huge subsidy for drivers over people who use public tranist or walk.

Better public bus networks are prettu urgent, and thats something even the tories realized. That can do a lot for making people need to drive less.

In terms of infrastructure funding, road networks and highways get a lot and have been getting a lot continiously for 50 years. Its just infrastructure that degrades very fast.

I am not against maintaining existing roads and highways but absolutly no new highways should be built. And new roads only in a few exeptional circumstances.

I would say things like low concetion zones, road diets, bike lanes and change like that are actually good for drivers.

These are all things 'war on cars' people normally are against.

I would suggest that we make it so cars are far more expensive if they are large and heavy. And that includes EVs. Poor people should be encouraged to drive small cars even if they are not EVs.

What things do you think should be done (or not done) for poor drivers?

Re: More delays for Euston's HS2 station

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Post by chgs »

panick21_ wrote: post #103
chgs wrote: post #87

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And in 5 years, or at most 10, the tories will be back in and destroy that future plan We had a future plan, it was called hs2. They were far to slow getting the diggers out, so it was cancelled for spite.

Great. Why not just nuke the whole country then. The Tories are against the project, lets just do nothing. Helping trans people, why bother the tories are against it. Repair schools, why bother? Tories will reverse it. This is fucking insane. How are British people all such pesimists. HS2 is literally being built. There are tunnels already there. The digger are out in force already. That exactly why Phase 1 wasnt can…

Being bold does not mean talking about what to do from now to 2050, it means digging. Now.

But every armchair expert with a crayon has their preferred solution to rail. Is hs2 perfect? No

Is it better than nothing? Yes.

Re: More delays for Euston's HS2 station

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Post by chgs »

GJim wrote: post #108
panick21_ wrote: post #101

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Its crazy how nobody understands what HS2 was designed to do.

I blame the name "High Speed 2". It was never about improving speed (at least not in any meaningful sense), it was about improving capacity.

“WCML 6 track project”

Re: More delays for Euston's HS2 station

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Post by chgs »

switch007 wrote: post #124
chgs wrote: post #86

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Manchester to Liverpool and Birmingham, Birmingham to Leeds, Sheffield, Newcastle All relied on phase 2 though, freeing up capacity through Stockport and winsford, adding it for man-Liverpool/glasgow, freeing up the painful cross country services from Leeds, etc

Amazing. I bet HS2 was going to fix congestion in Penzance too So much coolaid being drunk Note how Sheffield, Newcastle and Liverpool aren't in any HS2 plans... I'm in favour of rail projects. I just dislike the dishonesty about the benefits

Newcastle and Sheffield ran over eastern leg, Newcastle especially benefiting on services to Birmingham.

Liverpool on the western leg. I always felt landing the leg south of Acton bridge was odd as it meant you still had the winsford bottleneck, but again better service to Birmingham and London

Improved services from Liverpool to Manchester relies on the airport-centre leg in Manchester to avoid castlefield and Stockport bottlenecks

Re: More delays for Euston's HS2 station

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Post by silver_silver »

IlllIIl wrote: post #122
panick21_ wrote: post #120

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Depends what you mean by "help". blablabla right wing/TURF propaganda. > And for minors, the Cass Review No it didn't, its a report many people disagree including many medical organization disagree with. And anyway even if the Cass Review was true, that is not at all indicative that the Toris are not anti-Trans people. The report was weaponized as political tool. > Already being funded. Ahh see what my point is the…

> blablabla Low intelligence reactive response. Would you like to try again with something more rational? > No it didn't, its a report many people disagree including many medical organization disagree with. I've yet to see a substantive critique of the Review that challenges its key points. So far it's just been ideological disagreement. > Ahh see what my point is then? No, because the schools with this issue (assumi…

> There's already a big enough problem with males using female spaces

Back it up with some numbers, and then let’s see how many of the perpetrators identify as trans.

Re: More delays for Euston's HS2 station

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Post by iggldiggl »

lmm wrote: post #97
andy_ppp wrote: post #92

I always wonder about why infrastructure like rail isn’t delivered in a much more agile way. You could easily have useful stretches of rail working around the north of England by now, proving out the technology and adding and upgrading stations much later. Why we think of projects like this as you open all the stations at once is mad - for example with crossrail you could have aimed to open Liverpool Street to Whitec…

> You could easily have useful stretches of rail working around the north of England by now, proving out the technology and adding and upgrading stations much later. Upgrading stations in-place is extremely expensive, far more so than building them in the first place. (In theory opening the railway without the station and then closing it for months to add the station might be better all round, but in practice passeng…

> So you'd have to build a bunch of extra turnback facilities

Not forgetting that in the central stretch we're talking about extra turnback facilities underground.

Re: More delays for Euston's HS2 station

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Post by randomcarbloke »

ionwake wrote: post #42

I dont understand how HS2 is not the number 1 priority to link the dying cities of the north to london, its important to have good communications, its such a tiny island anyway. Get a grip, and make the line extend to the northern territories, that was literally the whole point.

it's a token gesture to the pronvicials...a show of unity.

It will never recoup it's cost, nobody north of the Watford Gap wants to work in London, and nobody in London wants to work north of the Gap.

London is international first, parochial second.

Re: More delays for Euston's HS2 station

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Post by jen20 »

mFixman wrote: post #115
jen20 wrote: post #114

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> Realistically, you would only be adding access to the Thameslink and to the Northern and Victoria lines. And HS1 and the Eurostar.

And the Circle and other cut-and-cover lines. Nevermind, I wrote that comment before my morning coffee hit.

In fairness though, the best destination for an HS2 would clearly be St Pancras, not Easton - connections you can make with a suitcase are what make rail palatable vs flying or driving. There is a special place in hell for whoever put stairs at the entrance to the Circle line in St Pancras!

Re: More delays for Euston's HS2 station

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Post by seethedeaduu »

IlllIIl wrote: post #104
panick21_ wrote: post #103

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Great. Why not just nuke the whole country then. The Tories are against the project, lets just do nothing. Helping trans people, why bother the tories are against it. Repair schools, why bother? Tories will reverse it. This is fucking insane. How are British people all such pesimists. HS2 is literally being built. There are tunnels already there. The digger are out in force already. That exactly why Phase 1 wasnt can…

> Helping trans people, why bother the tories are against it. Depends what you mean by "help". There's already a big enough problem with males using female spaces, why make this even worse for women and girls? And for minors, the Cass Review made it clear the evidence isn't there to favour giving gender non-conforming kids drugs to block their puberty. > Repair schools, why bother? The RAAC problem? Already being fun…

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