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Rockstar condemns Max Payne 3 cheaters to play only against each other

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Re: Rockstar condemns Max Payne 3 cheaters to play only against each other

#11

Maybe this could apply to people hell banned from communities. Instead of a regular hellban, have a hellban community... Let all of the rolls play together.

I read about this when I first heard of hellbanning:

http://www.codinghorror.com/blog/2011/06/suspension-ban-or-h...

(There is one additional form of hellbanning that I feel compelled to mention because it is particularly cruel – when hellbanned users can see only themselves and other hellbanned users. Brrr. I'm pretty sure Dante wrote a chapter about that, somewhere.)

Re: Rockstar condemns Max Payne 3 cheaters to play only against each other

#12

Maybe this could apply to people hell banned from communities. Instead of a regular hellban, have a hellban community... Let all of the rolls play together.

I like it. There may even be practical ways for the antisocials to eventually meta-moderate each-other out from under the bridge. To be studied.

Re: Rockstar condemns Max Payne 3 cheaters to play only against each other

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The article just glosses over the fact that detecting cheaters is far from easy. It just makes it sound as if it's a done-deal, "if you cheat, you're isolated away".

Speaking with at least some amount of insight, I can say that cheat-detection in modern networked multiplayer action games is far from easy.

Re: Rockstar condemns Max Payne 3 cheaters to play only against each other

#14
I remember the old days of Counterstrike and the infamous "myg0t" clan who would enter CS servers and use things like wallhacks and aimbots as well as excessive deliberate teamkilling.

After they had got themselves banned from just about every server out there they launched their own "anything goes" server which could be actually be a fun experience to play on.

Another interesting thing I remember from the CS days was that me and my friends used to play the game a lot which meant that we were much more skilled than the average player. The result of this was that admins would often accuse us of cheating (we weren't) simply because our kill/death ratio was so much better than anybody elses (I used to have screenshots of myself with 40/2 kill/death ratio on public servers using pistols only).

Of course this made us pissed at the time since we kept getting banned from servers, but now I think about it where they so unjustified in doing this? Having a massive advantage over the average player whether it comes from skills or cheats still has the same affect of reducing the enjoyment of the game for average players & newbies. It's almost like having an olympic athletic squad turn up to the local school sports day and dominate every trophy.

Since I don't have as much time or interest in games as I used to when I was a teenager I tend to avoid online play in many games because the experience is generally just getting curb stomped over and over again by more experienced/obsessive players and sometimes in team based RTS games I get kicked from a team because "I don't team with noobs".

Another thing I don't understand about this is how invincibility cheats would work, I can understand things like aimbots / wallhacks because they are using information that has been pushed to the client but surely the game server should never allow something like the number of health points to be authoritative on the client end?

Re: Rockstar condemns Max Payne 3 cheaters to play only against each other

#15

Maybe this could apply to people hell banned from communities. Instead of a regular hellban, have a hellban community... Let all of the rolls play together.

I read about this when I first heard of hellbanning: http://www.codinghorror.com/blog/2011/06/suspension-ban-or-h... (There is one additional form of hellbanning that I feel compelled to mention because it is particularly cruel – when hellbanned users can see only themselves and other hellbanned users. Brrr. I'm pretty sure Dante wrote a chapter about that, somewhere.)

I have HN set to show me comments from hellbanned users.

A lot of them are just trolls/spammers , however there are a number that I feel sorry for because they post relevant and sometimes long comments on threads and I imagine that they wonder why they are not getting any votes or replies.

I think it's easy to get off to a bad start on an online community simply because you don't understand it's ethos rather than outright malice.

Re: Rockstar condemns Max Payne 3 cheaters to play only against each other

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post #13

The article just glosses over the fact that detecting cheaters is far from easy. It just makes it sound as if it's a done-deal, "if you cheat, you're isolated away". Speaking with at least some amount of insight, I can say that cheat-detection in modern networked multiplayer action games is far from easy.

The first thing I remember from a multiplayer networking tutorial is that it is close to impossible to distinguish cheaters from really good players.

Re: Rockstar condemns Max Payne 3 cheaters to play only against each other

#18

I remember the old days of Counterstrike and the infamous "myg0t" clan who would enter CS servers and use things like wallhacks and aimbots as well as excessive deliberate teamkilling. After they had got themselves banned from just about every server out there they launched their own "anything goes" server which could be actually be a fun experience to play on. Another interesting thing I remember from the CS days wa…

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_D_Z-D2tzi14/S8TTPQCPA6I/AAAAAAAACw...

Re: Rockstar condemns Max Payne 3 cheaters to play only against each other

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post #18

I remember the old days of Counterstrike and the infamous "myg0t" clan who would enter CS servers and use things like wallhacks and aimbots as well as excessive deliberate teamkilling. After they had got themselves banned from just about every server out there they launched their own "anything goes" server which could be actually be a fun experience to play on. Another interesting thing I remember from the CS days wa…

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_D_Z-D2tzi14/S8TTPQCPA6I/AAAAAAAACw...

Not sure what your point is , or just trolling?

Re: Rockstar condemns Max Payne 3 cheaters to play only against each other

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post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_D_Z-D2tzi14/S8TTPQCPA6I/AAAAAAAACw...

Not sure what your point is , or just trolling?

Looks like he's pointing out you spelled "a lot" wrong.
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