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Re: More delays for Euston's HS2 station

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Post by smcl »

panick21_ wrote: post #118
michaelt wrote: post #111

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I would say they are to the left of the previous government, because they don't want to fly asylum seekers to Rwanda. And they're substantially to the left of what American readers would consider the centre, because American politics is crazy. I agree that they're nowhere near as far to the left as they were in the 1970s - and nowhere near as left-wing as they were under previous party leader Jeremy Corbyn.

> because they don't want to fly asylum seekers to Rwanda That was such a batshit insane plan. Like any government that comes up with shit like that has just seriously lost the plot.

What's wild is that how persistent they were with it. Like it wasn't just an idea or a policy someone threw out there once. They pushed it through, fought for it in court and stuck with it for years. Utterly insane.

Re: More delays for Euston's HS2 station

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Post by IlllIIl »

panick21_ wrote: post #120
IlllIIl wrote: post #104

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> Helping trans people, why bother the tories are against it. Depends what you mean by "help". There's already a big enough problem with males using female spaces, why make this even worse for women and girls? And for minors, the Cass Review made it clear the evidence isn't there to favour giving gender non-conforming kids drugs to block their puberty. > Repair schools, why bother? The RAAC problem? Already being fun…

> Depends what you mean by "help". blablabla right wing/TURF propaganda. > And for minors, the Cass Review No it didn't, its a report many people disagree including many medical organization disagree with. And anyway even if the Cass Review was true, that is not at all indicative that the Toris are not anti-Trans people. The report was weaponized as political tool. > Already being funded. Ahh see what my point is the…

> blablabla

Low intelligence reactive response. Would you like to try again with something more rational?

> No it didn't, its a report many people disagree including many medical organization disagree with.

I've yet to see a substantive critique of the Review that challenges its key points. So far it's just been ideological disagreement.

> Ahh see what my point is then?

No, because the schools with this issue (assuming that's what you were referring to) are actually being repaired.

Re: More delays for Euston's HS2 station

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chgs wrote: post #86
switch007 wrote: post #68

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Such as?

Manchester to Liverpool and Birmingham, Birmingham to Leeds, Sheffield, Newcastle All relied on phase 2 though, freeing up capacity through Stockport and winsford, adding it for man-Liverpool/glasgow, freeing up the painful cross country services from Leeds, etc

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Re: More delays for Euston's HS2 station

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Post by switch007 »

chgs wrote: post #86
switch007 wrote: post #68

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Such as?

Manchester to Liverpool and Birmingham, Birmingham to Leeds, Sheffield, Newcastle All relied on phase 2 though, freeing up capacity through Stockport and winsford, adding it for man-Liverpool/glasgow, freeing up the painful cross country services from Leeds, etc

Amazing. I bet HS2 was going to fix congestion in Penzance too

So much coolaid being drunk

Note how Sheffield, Newcastle and Liverpool aren't in any HS2 plans...

I'm in favour of rail projects. I just dislike the dishonesty about the benefits

Re: More delays for Euston's HS2 station

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Post by switch007 »

panick21_ wrote: post #101
chgs wrote: post #86

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Manchester to Liverpool and Birmingham, Birmingham to Leeds, Sheffield, Newcastle All relied on phase 2 though, freeing up capacity through Stockport and winsford, adding it for man-Liverpool/glasgow, freeing up the painful cross country services from Leeds, etc

Its crazy how nobody understands what HS2 was designed to do.

It's crazy how oversold the project is/was too. Honestly some people believe it will fix every congestion problem in England

Re: More delays for Euston's HS2 station

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Post by panick21_ »

switch007 wrote: post #125
panick21_ wrote: post #101

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Its crazy how nobody understands what HS2 was designed to do.

It's crazy how oversold the project is/was too. Honestly some people believe it will fix every congestion problem in England

That just nonsense. The media at large barley ever even even talked about the effect on capacity.

Most people didn't even know anything beyond X fast to city Y.

Once you get to the people who understand capacity, most are well aware that it doesnt solve everything. Nobody believed it would solve issues to the South or the West.

Critics almost universally used the 'we should use the money to increase capacity line'. As if that not what HS2 was designed to do.

HS2 certainly creates more capacity then anything else proposed, certently more then some of the ideas thrown out 'improving X other line'.

And it serves as a excelent backbone to address other capacity issues that exists in the network.

Re: More delays for Euston's HS2 station

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Post by manfromchicago »

panick21_ wrote: post #23
dagurp wrote: post #18

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Nationalising the rail is one of their targets. https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2024/apr/24/labour-prom...

Their program is pretty weak sauce to be honest. Not clear message of recreating BritishRail outright. They should go back to full uniform marketing strategy. NetworkRail should be rolled back into BritishRail. Their proposal is mostly adding more unneeded stuff, to the complex organizational chart. You don't need a 'Passenger Standards Authority', what you need is a public rail company that works for the public and…

How far back do you want to go? Even pre-privatization, there wasn't a "uniform strategy" - you had NSE, Inter-city, Provincial doing things up north, Scotrail in Scotland, not to mention the variety of PTEs who had their own schemes.

Re: More delays for Euston's HS2 station

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Post by laurencerowe »

willyt wrote: post #109
chgs wrote: post #82

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Why would a hs2 user be connecting on from Euston? Or indeed from St Pancras (other than maybe Kent and Europe) But walking with a suitcase from Euston to KGSP isn’t exactly easy anyway. Only benefits to Euston are easy to get to the Victoria and northern lines. Whether that outweighs crossrail is a septye wuruain, maybe for north-south journeys, but probably not for “to London”.

It would make more sense for Euston to be a deep level station and for HS2 to continue onto the mainline to Portsmouth/Bournemouth which have a similar population to Birmingham. I don’t think there will be the stomach to build a new high speed line but they could electrify the current line with overhead wires and replace the current fast trains with HS2 services. If Euston were a through station it would only need 4…

I think the difficulty of this approach is the huge imbalance in population north and south of London. While the Portsmouth/Southampton/Bournemouth area is around 2M, the Birmingham area is about 5M and HS2 will likely also end up serving trains from Manchester and Liverpool (combined 7M) and Glasgow (2M). There just aren't enough places south of London for all those trains to go.

Re: More delays for Euston's HS2 station

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Post by __alexs »

alias_neo wrote: post #77
harry_ord wrote: post #74

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What parts are you talking about? Most areas in the m25 is part of a London Borough. Watford isn't but has decent rail connections and has tfl bus routes ending there. There are some parts of rural Enfield and Barnet which aren't so great for public transport connections admittedly.

I mean, pick basically anywhere east of centre, or anywhere served by Southern or Southeastern, some of the worst rail operators, or anywhere more than ~20 minutes walk from a station. Being a London borough doesn't mean much in some parts, other than being subject to the will of London, despite a very different landscape.

I live in an area served by Southeastern and have plenty of non-Southeastern transport options.

Re: More delays for Euston's HS2 station

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Post by panick21_ »

manfromchicago wrote: post #127
panick21_ wrote: post #23

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Their program is pretty weak sauce to be honest. Not clear message of recreating BritishRail outright. They should go back to full uniform marketing strategy. NetworkRail should be rolled back into BritishRail. Their proposal is mostly adding more unneeded stuff, to the complex organizational chart. You don't need a 'Passenger Standards Authority', what you need is a public rail company that works for the public and…

How far back do you want to go? Even pre-privatization, there wasn't a "uniform strategy" - you had NSE, Inter-city, Provincial doing things up north, Scotrail in Scotland, not to mention the variety of PTEs who had their own schemes.

Its not about 'going back'. Its about being smart and doing what makes sense.

Yes, before privatisation there wasnt a totally uniform strategy but BritishRail certaintly had strategy, both for the network and in term of branding and marketing different setvices.

This would not just be a BritishRail thing. It would also involve the government, local governemnt and related transport services like TfL.

The smart way of doing it is basically what Switzerland did in Bahn2000. You first look at your current network and timetable and think about what you would optimally want, make a priority list. Then you study and figure out what you can get for how much price.

Then you make targeted infrastructure and service investments to achieve those goals, and of course you coordinate between all the different stack holders.

In Switzerland you also dont just have SBB, there are lots of other imporantant organisation. RBB, SOB, BLS are signifcant in passenger transport. And of course the local governments with their Transport organisations.

Is it in Britain somehow impossible for people to work thogether and come up with a plan?

This could even have been done during privatisation. Japan has many private railway and do a lot of integrated planning.

Its just a weakpoint of UK governemnt.

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