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Re: More delays for Euston's HS2 station

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Post by michaelt »

smcl wrote: post #110
michaelt wrote: post #106

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I'm baffled why everything I consume from Britain is damn pessimistic. I'm just saying, although we've recently elected a centre-left government, we shouldn't expect a free-spending, state-expanding government. In their election campaign they spent a lot of time marketing themselves as the party of stability and fiscal rules. The first bill announced in the King's Speech was a "Budget Responsibility Bill" requiring…

I think describing Starmer's Labour as centre-left is a bit of a stretch. They want to crack down on immigration and suspended seven MPs who voted in favour of a pretty minor amendment to scrap the 2-child benefit cap (that overwhelmingly failed ... because the rest of Labour voted against it). They've also got Wes Streeting as Secretary of State for Health and he seems very keen privatisation of the NHS - in fact th…

I would say they are to the left of the previous government, because they don't want to fly asylum seekers to Rwanda. And they're substantially to the left of what American readers would consider the centre, because American politics is crazy.

I agree that they're nowhere near as far to the left as they were in the 1970s - and nowhere near as left-wing as they were under previous party leader Jeremy Corbyn.

Re: More delays for Euston's HS2 station

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Post by [deleted] »

andy_ppp wrote: post #92

I always wonder about why infrastructure like rail isn’t delivered in a much more agile way. You could easily have useful stretches of rail working around the north of England by now, proving out the technology and adding and upgrading stations much later. Why we think of projects like this as you open all the stations at once is mad - for example with crossrail you could have aimed to open Liverpool Street to Whitec…

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Re: More delays for Euston's HS2 station

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Post by zzbn00 »

Big rail supporter here, but the HS2 project execution lost all sense of cost. For context the, the total receipts from all passenger rail in UK are around £10b (https://dataportal.orr.gov.uk/statistics/usage/passenger-rai...). For a single new line to require a £100bn investment, i.e., 10x of total gross receipts of the entire industry, is just disproportionate.

Re: More delays for Euston's HS2 station

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Post by jen20 »

mFixman wrote: post #107
laurencerowe wrote: post #70

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The problem with stopping at Old Oak Common is that it would likely worsen end-end journey times for the many passengers travelling to destinations not well served by Crossrail. Euston/Kings Cross/St Pancras are all next door to each other and collectively busier than any other rail station in the country. They are not connected to Crossrail so anyone connecting on from there (Eurostar, east coast mainline, west coas…

Even if you count Euston+KX+SP as a single station, it's not that much busier in trips HS2 users from Birmingham might want to make since most trains have that as a terminus going north. Realistically, you would only be adding access to the Thameslink and to the Northern and Victoria lines. Old Oak Common has access to the Elizabeth Line, the two branches of the North London Line Overground, and a branch of the Lione…

> Realistically, you would only be adding access to the Thameslink and to the Northern and Victoria lines.

And HS1 and the Eurostar.

Re: More delays for Euston's HS2 station

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Post by mFixman »

jen20 wrote: post #114
mFixman wrote: post #107

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Even if you count Euston+KX+SP as a single station, it's not that much busier in trips HS2 users from Birmingham might want to make since most trains have that as a terminus going north. Realistically, you would only be adding access to the Thameslink and to the Northern and Victoria lines. Old Oak Common has access to the Elizabeth Line, the two branches of the North London Line Overground, and a branch of the Lione…

> Realistically, you would only be adding access to the Thameslink and to the Northern and Victoria lines. And HS1 and the Eurostar.

And the Circle and other cut-and-cover lines.

Nevermind, I wrote that comment before my morning coffee hit.

Re: More delays for Euston's HS2 station

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Post by panick21_ »

GJim wrote: post #108
panick21_ wrote: post #101

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Its crazy how nobody understands what HS2 was designed to do.

I blame the name "High Speed 2". It was never about improving speed (at least not in any meaningful sense), it was about improving capacity.

Yes. A smarter way to do this was not having some separate thing.

It should just be 'BritishRail' and 'HS2' should simple be one of many 'Future BritishRail' upgrade paths. You could call the project, 'HighSpeed North-South Mainline'. Make it boring so sensationalized headlines aren't as interesting.

Make people who are against it answer the question "Why are you against the rail system". Now they constantly say 'Pro Rail, against HS2' (even if that's BS).

Re: More delays for Euston's HS2 station

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Post by panick21_ »

michaelt wrote: post #106
panick21_ wrote: post #98

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm baffled why everything I consume from Britain is damn pessimistic. So, you can't invest in HS2 because money and debt. But anytime you try to save money it also doesn't work. So best do nothing and start drinking I guess??? > We're a hardy nation, we've dealt with worse and we'll get through this Well the people wont all just move. And UK wont collapse. But the question is, will it be as a nation as rich as Nordi…

> I'm baffled why everything I consume from Britain is damn pessimistic. I'm just saying, although we've recently elected a centre-left government, we shouldn't expect a free-spending, state-expanding government. In their election campaign they spent a lot of time marketing themselves as the party of stability and fiscal rules. The first bill announced in the King's Speech was a "Budget Responsibility Bill" requiring…

> we shouldn't expect a free-spending, state-expanding government.

I understand. That was my criticism. They are not gone do that.

> Now you're talking my language!

Cheers to that.

Re: More delays for Euston's HS2 station

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Post by panick21_ »

michaelt wrote: post #111
smcl wrote: post #110

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think describing Starmer's Labour as centre-left is a bit of a stretch. They want to crack down on immigration and suspended seven MPs who voted in favour of a pretty minor amendment to scrap the 2-child benefit cap (that overwhelmingly failed ... because the rest of Labour voted against it). They've also got Wes Streeting as Secretary of State for Health and he seems very keen privatisation of the NHS - in fact th…

I would say they are to the left of the previous government, because they don't want to fly asylum seekers to Rwanda. And they're substantially to the left of what American readers would consider the centre, because American politics is crazy. I agree that they're nowhere near as far to the left as they were in the 1970s - and nowhere near as left-wing as they were under previous party leader Jeremy Corbyn.

> because they don't want to fly asylum seekers to Rwanda

That was such a batshit insane plan. Like any government that comes up with shit like that has just seriously lost the plot.

Re: More delays for Euston's HS2 station

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Post by chippiewill »

laurencerowe wrote: post #70
DrBazza wrote: post #43

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The old HS1 boss, said the main problem with HS2 goes was the government publicly announced the budget for each contract and the bidders bid... you guessed it right at the maximum of each contract. HS1 never announced any budget for any contract, so lots of bids came in way under what the government was prepared to spend, hence came in well under budget. I seem to recall that was also due to infrastructure 'transpare…

The problem with stopping at Old Oak Common is that it would likely worsen end-end journey times for the many passengers travelling to destinations not well served by Crossrail. Euston/Kings Cross/St Pancras are all next door to each other and collectively busier than any other rail station in the country. They are not connected to Crossrail so anyone connecting on from there (Eurostar, east coast mainline, west coas…

HS2 isn't meant to connect you with any north going services in London like ECML and WCML - it's too niche to be justifiable.

You're meant to benefit on those journeys from reduced pressure on the WCML and other north-bound services.

Re: More delays for Euston's HS2 station

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Post by panick21_ »

IlllIIl wrote: post #104
panick21_ wrote: post #103

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Great. Why not just nuke the whole country then. The Tories are against the project, lets just do nothing. Helping trans people, why bother the tories are against it. Repair schools, why bother? Tories will reverse it. This is fucking insane. How are British people all such pesimists. HS2 is literally being built. There are tunnels already there. The digger are out in force already. That exactly why Phase 1 wasnt can…

> Helping trans people, why bother the tories are against it. Depends what you mean by "help". There's already a big enough problem with males using female spaces, why make this even worse for women and girls? And for minors, the Cass Review made it clear the evidence isn't there to favour giving gender non-conforming kids drugs to block their puberty. > Repair schools, why bother? The RAAC problem? Already being fun…

> Depends what you mean by "help".

blablabla right wing/TURF propaganda.

> And for minors, the Cass Review

No it didn't, its a report many people disagree including many medical organization disagree with. And anyway even if the Cass Review was true, that is not at all indicative that the Toris are not anti-Trans people. The report was weaponized as political tool.

> Already being funded.

Ahh see what my point is then?

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