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CrowdStrike will be liable for damages in France, based on the OVH precedent

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Re: CrowdStrike will be liable for damages in France, based on the OVH precedent

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post #62

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Special mention of the expression “the west” which Americans like to use to mean the USA and some amorphous blob I don’t really want to think about but I’m going to pretend is exactly the same as the USA.

That's easy, it's the US and any Canadian city with an NHL team.

I'd argue the UK is part of "the west"?

Re: CrowdStrike will be liable for damages in France, based on the OVH precedent

#92
post #33

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Well, it'd be a lot easier if most US entities understood that M/d/yy(yy) format is rare, or that default to Frankenstein degrees is pretty much the same/awkward (even Microsoft reset their weather widget to F on regular basis). The root of issue, not understanding local laws/culture, is very similar - surrounded by a vast market/culture (US +Canada) dulls your senses for the rest of the globe.

> surrounded by a vast market/culture (US +Canada) US companies don't think about Canada as anything but an afterthought, and struggle with the same issues here that you just mentioned. Canada is metric, uses different spellings (closer to UK English.. colour, not color [Chrome just marked my spelling as wrong despite me having Canadian English as my setting]) and is officially bilingual with localization laws requir…

Google Nest prononciation of EN songs names in middle of sentence in other language was fun to ear. It’s been a wile it does pretty well (way better than at the beginning at least) so they probably have the tech to achieve street names prononciation.

Re: CrowdStrike will be liable for damages in France, based on the OVH precedent

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post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well, it'd be a lot easier if most US entities understood that M/d/yy(yy) format is rare, or that default to Frankenstein degrees is pretty much the same/awkward (even Microsoft reset their weather widget to F on regular basis). The root of issue, not understanding local laws/culture, is very similar - surrounded by a vast market/culture (US +Canada) dulls your senses for the rest of the globe.

> surrounded by a vast market/culture (US +Canada) US companies don't think about Canada as anything but an afterthought, and struggle with the same issues here that you just mentioned. Canada is metric, uses different spellings (closer to UK English.. colour, not color [Chrome just marked my spelling as wrong despite me having Canadian English as my setting]) and is officially bilingual with localization laws requir…

> And navigation on Android / Google Maps can't pronounce French names for streets/places while driving around in bilingual places in Canada.

Honestly, I think this is the right approach, and I'm speaking as a bilingual French/English speaker.

Google Maps doesn't know that you are bilingual. So it has two choices: pronounce words the "right" (i.e., native) way, or pronounce them the "English" way. If someone who is unused to hearing the native pronunciation, their understanding is going to be impeded. Google Maps tells you for example to turn onto Passage du Grand Cerf in a French accent, a non-Francophone is going to have a harder time finding that.

(Now, okay, maybe you should have a way to say that you're bilingual and want to hear the French pronunciation, but I understand why they don't do it.)

Re: CrowdStrike will be liable for damages in France, based on the OVH precedent

#94

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You mean self declared (rightfully or wrongfully) leaders of the free world? :)

There's a documentary about exactly that: https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0372588/ :)

Is it bad that I knew exactly what this was before I clicked on it?

Re: CrowdStrike will be liable for damages in France, based on the OVH precedent

#95
What is hilarious to me is how the US government or courts doesn't seem to give a shit about this.

Corporativism in US is a thing. Companies can brick hospital systems killing patients, drive self-driving cars and run over people but don't get sued, and if they do, they settle for very little.

Just look at the recent Boeing incident where people were killed, the company clearly misled the US authorities and settled only a $0.5B fine.

Those companies in those scenarios should pay the fine that they should ($20B+), and if it means the company would go bankrupt, do it and form a new company diluting the previous shareholders.

Without doing this, shareholders and CEOs will have the incentive to carry on with their unfair practices that leads to dead people and deadlocked systems.

Re: CrowdStrike will be liable for damages in France, based on the OVH precedent

#96
post #20

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The number of US tech businesses that are surprised they need, or think they can ignore the need, to obey employment and data protection laws when working in other jurisdictions is simply bonkers.

When working for a large US company they insisted we do not accept returns, they always were astonished that in Germany there is a law for 14 day returns, no questions asked. They could not understand that this is a law in Germany.

Isn’t it 60 days in the whole EU for physical objects bought via internet?

Re: CrowdStrike will be liable for damages in France, based on the OVH precedent

#97

The 10$ gift cards were just hilarious. How could they possibly expect anyone to take them seriously?

Was this possibly some way to influence liability limitation? If you accept a $10 gift card, could that be argued as an acceptance of compensation?

Hopefully judges aren't that stupid / our legal systems so easily gamed

Re: CrowdStrike will be liable for damages in France, based on the OVH precedent

#98
post #23

The 10$ gift cards were just hilarious. How could they possibly expect anyone to take them seriously?

Not a lawyer, but the cynic in me assumes that it is legal bait: if someone at the company cashed the $10 gift card one could argue that compensation for damages has been accepted and no further liability applies. At least legally speaking, obviously this is completely morally bankrupt.

Maybe this would work if the damage was $100.

But you would not get away from $mil of damages with a $10 voucher. The courts are not dumb and don't work like that.

Re: CrowdStrike will be liable for damages in France, based on the OVH precedent

#100

Can someone explain to me why the protections that Falcon provides, are not provided by the OS itself? I am not completely naive, I've secured quite a few critical Linux servers, but with Windows it seems that there do not exist the same clear roles of security. Contrast with Red Hat or even Canonical, where is feels like I'm (correctly) fighting the security of the systems to get them into a state where my users can…

While Clowdstrike Falcon EDR is in some sense an AV on steroids and Crowdstrike not only does EDR. While they are obviously deployed on lots of systems, less than 1% of Windows systems means it still operates in an absolute niche. Most people didn't know CS even fewer know any of the competitors.

I think one massive difference between CS and AV is also, you don't expect a human to be in the loop because it would be too expensive. Nor would it be feasible for consumer software because of privacy.

Also even within this small niche, the solutions are very heterogeneous and make little sense for single boxes - in fact may even be designed to run on a network level.

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