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Re: More delays for Euston's HS2 station

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post #86

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Such as?

Manchester to Liverpool and Birmingham, Birmingham to Leeds, Sheffield, Newcastle All relied on phase 2 though, freeing up capacity through Stockport and winsford, adding it for man-Liverpool/glasgow, freeing up the painful cross country services from Leeds, etc

Its crazy how nobody understands what HS2 was designed to do.

Re: More delays for Euston's HS2 station

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Laber needs to get off its ass and reorganize this. The way the whole HS2 thing is organised is braindead. Throwing all the costs for everything from stations to trains into the same semi-private company. Not learning best practices from Japan rail station operation. Building way to many tunnels because of a few braindead Nimbys. Simply recreate BritishRail, make the railroad public, including things like rolling sto…

They've been in charge for about 3 weeks. Did you want them to come up with plans for a national strategy on rail for the next 25 years within the first 3 weeks?

They have already announced a plan, and they had one before the election. And it was weak sauce. Badically the Tory plan.

Re: More delays for Euston's HS2 station

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post #87

Laber needs to get off its ass and reorganize this. The way the whole HS2 thing is organised is braindead. Throwing all the costs for everything from stations to trains into the same semi-private company. Not learning best practices from Japan rail station operation. Building way to many tunnels because of a few braindead Nimbys. Simply recreate BritishRail, make the railroad public, including things like rolling sto…

And in 5 years, or at most 10, the tories will be back in and destroy that future plan We had a future plan, it was called hs2. They were far to slow getting the diggers out, so it was cancelled for spite.

Great. Why not just nuke the whole country then. The Tories are against the project, lets just do nothing.

Helping trans people, why bother the tories are against it. Repair schools, why bother? Tories will reverse it.

This is fucking insane. How are British people all such pesimists.

HS2 is literally being built. There are tunnels already there. The digger are out in force already. That exactly why Phase 1 wasnt cancled.

And if Labor took their finger out of their assholes they would get to a point where digger were out on Phase 2 and then the Tories wouldnt cancle that.

And maybe at some point HS2 actually is operational and people will see that it is nice and cancling the rest of it would piss people off.

If your strategy is 'lets do nothing we are gone lose the next election anyway' then you should just give up. Winning 3 elections in a row is possible ither parties have done it. The Tories are in a terrible situation, that wont be easy to come back from.

Now is the time to be bold.

Re: More delays for Euston's HS2 station

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post #87

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And in 5 years, or at most 10, the tories will be back in and destroy that future plan We had a future plan, it was called hs2. They were far to slow getting the diggers out, so it was cancelled for spite.

Great. Why not just nuke the whole country then. The Tories are against the project, lets just do nothing. Helping trans people, why bother the tories are against it. Repair schools, why bother? Tories will reverse it. This is fucking insane. How are British people all such pesimists. HS2 is literally being built. There are tunnels already there. The digger are out in force already. That exactly why Phase 1 wasnt can…

> Helping trans people, why bother the tories are against it.

Depends what you mean by "help". There's already a big enough problem with males using female spaces, why make this even worse for women and girls? And for minors, the Cass Review made it clear the evidence isn't there to favour giving gender non-conforming kids drugs to block their puberty.

> Repair schools, why bother?

The RAAC problem? Already being funded. Department for Education started doing this a few months ago and the new government are continuing the work.

Re: More delays for Euston's HS2 station

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>> We all know there's not much money left. > Not sure what that means. What it means is: 1. The UK national debt is high, about 7% of public spending is on interest payments. The debt-to-GDP ratio is the worst it's been in 60 years. 2. The current overall tax rate is the highest it's been since the 1960s. We might be able to get some extra money by going after tax cheats and suchlike, but it's probably not going to…

I'm baffled why everything I consume from Britain is damn pessimistic. So, you can't invest in HS2 because money and debt. But anytime you try to save money it also doesn't work. So best do nothing and start drinking I guess??? > We're a hardy nation, we've dealt with worse and we'll get through this Well the people wont all just move. And UK wont collapse. But the question is, will it be as a nation as rich as Nordi…

> I'm baffled why everything I consume from Britain is damn pessimistic.

I'm just saying, although we've recently elected a centre-left government, we shouldn't expect a free-spending, state-expanding government.

In their election campaign they spent a lot of time marketing themselves as the party of stability and fiscal rules. The first bill announced in the King's Speech was a "Budget Responsibility Bill" requiring them to get independent assessment of major tax and spending bills.

> start drinking I guess???

Now you're talking my language!

Re: More delays for Euston's HS2 station

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post #43

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The old HS1 boss, said the main problem with HS2 goes was the government publicly announced the budget for each contract and the bidders bid... you guessed it right at the maximum of each contract. HS1 never announced any budget for any contract, so lots of bids came in way under what the government was prepared to spend, hence came in well under budget. I seem to recall that was also due to infrastructure 'transpare…

The problem with stopping at Old Oak Common is that it would likely worsen end-end journey times for the many passengers travelling to destinations not well served by Crossrail. Euston/Kings Cross/St Pancras are all next door to each other and collectively busier than any other rail station in the country. They are not connected to Crossrail so anyone connecting on from there (Eurostar, east coast mainline, west coas…

Even if you count Euston+KX+SP as a single station, it's not that much busier in trips HS2 users from Birmingham might want to make since most trains have that as a terminus going north.

Realistically, you would only be adding access to the Thameslink and to the Northern and Victoria lines.

Old Oak Common has access to the Elizabeth Line, the two branches of the North London Line Overground, and a branch of the Lionesses Line Overground. IMO increasing Overground speed and throughput might be a better use of money than the branch line to Euston.

Re: More delays for Euston's HS2 station

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post #86

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Manchester to Liverpool and Birmingham, Birmingham to Leeds, Sheffield, Newcastle All relied on phase 2 though, freeing up capacity through Stockport and winsford, adding it for man-Liverpool/glasgow, freeing up the painful cross country services from Leeds, etc

Its crazy how nobody understands what HS2 was designed to do.

I blame the name "High Speed 2".

It was never about improving speed (at least not in any meaningful sense), it was about improving capacity.

Re: More delays for Euston's HS2 station

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post #82

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The problem with stopping at Old Oak Common is that it would likely worsen end-end journey times for the many passengers travelling to destinations not well served by Crossrail. Euston/Kings Cross/St Pancras are all next door to each other and collectively busier than any other rail station in the country. They are not connected to Crossrail so anyone connecting on from there (Eurostar, east coast mainline, west coas…

Why would a hs2 user be connecting on from Euston? Or indeed from St Pancras (other than maybe Kent and Europe) But walking with a suitcase from Euston to KGSP isn’t exactly easy anyway. Only benefits to Euston are easy to get to the Victoria and northern lines. Whether that outweighs crossrail is a septye wuruain, maybe for north-south journeys, but probably not for “to London”.

It would make more sense for Euston to be a deep level station and for HS2 to continue onto the mainline to Portsmouth/Bournemouth which have a similar population to Birmingham. I don’t think there will be the stomach to build a new high speed line but they could electrify the current line with overhead wires and replace the current fast trains with HS2 services. If Euston were a through station it would only need 4 platforms rather then 11. Stick another deep station under Victoria while you’re at it.

Re: More delays for Euston's HS2 station

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I'm baffled why everything I consume from Britain is damn pessimistic. So, you can't invest in HS2 because money and debt. But anytime you try to save money it also doesn't work. So best do nothing and start drinking I guess??? > We're a hardy nation, we've dealt with worse and we'll get through this Well the people wont all just move. And UK wont collapse. But the question is, will it be as a nation as rich as Nordi…

> I'm baffled why everything I consume from Britain is damn pessimistic. I'm just saying, although we've recently elected a centre-left government, we shouldn't expect a free-spending, state-expanding government. In their election campaign they spent a lot of time marketing themselves as the party of stability and fiscal rules. The first bill announced in the King's Speech was a "Budget Responsibility Bill" requiring…

I think describing Starmer's Labour as centre-left is a bit of a stretch. They want to crack down on immigration and suspended seven MPs who voted in favour of a pretty minor amendment to scrap the 2-child benefit cap (that overwhelmingly failed ... because the rest of Labour voted against it). They've also got Wes Streeting as Secretary of State for Health and he seems very keen privatisation of the NHS - in fact the party themselves love PFI.

They were once the party of workers and a strong voice for the UK left, but that time has long passed.

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