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Re: Large Enough

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post #352

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> that has nothing to do with their intelligence. Of course. Because these models have no intelligence. Everyone who believes they do seem to believe intelligence derives from being able to use language, however, and not being able to tell how many times the letter r is in the word strawberry is a very low bar to not pass.

An LLM trained on single letter tokens would be able to, it just would be much more laborious to train.

Why would it be able to?

Re: Large Enough

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>If you insert characters to breaks the tokens down, it find the correct result: how many r's are in "s"t"r"a"w"b"e"r"r"y" ? The issue is that humans don't talk like this. I don't ask someone how many r's there are in strawberry by spelling out strawberry, I just say the word.

> Aoccdrnig to a rscheearch at Cmabrigde Uinervtisy, it deosn't mttaer in waht oredr the ltteers in a wrod are, the olny iprmoetnt tihng is taht the frist and lsat ltteer be at the rghit pclae. The rset can be a toatl mses and you can sitll raed it wouthit porbelm. Tihs is bcuseae the huamn mnid deos not raed ervey lteter by istlef, but the wrod as a wlohe. We are also not exactly looking letter by letter at everythi…

On the other hand explain to me how you are able to read the word “spotvoxilhapentosh”.

Re: Large Enough

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It's doing something different for me. It seems almost desperate to generate vast chunks of boilerplate code that are only tangentially related to the question. That's my perception, anyway.

This is also my experience. Previously it got good at giving me only relevant code which, as an experienced coder, is what i want. my favorites were the one line responses. Now it often falls back to generating full examples, explanations, restating the question and its approach. I suspect this is by design as (presumably) less experienced folks want or need all that. For me, i wish i could consistently turn it into…

For what it's worth, this is what I use:

"You are a maximally terse assistant with minimal affect. As a highly concise assistant, spare any moral guidance or AI identity disclosure. Be detailed and complete, but brief. Questions are encouraged if useful for task completion."

It's... ok. But I'm getting a bit sick of trying to un-fubar with a pocket knife that which OpenAI has fubar'd with a thermal lance. I'm definitely ripe for a paid alternative.

Re: Large Enough

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to be fair that's quite a weird request (the initial one) – I feel a human would struggle to understand what you mean

definitely not an articulate request, but the point of using these tools is to speed me up. The less the user has to articulate and the more it can infer correctly, the more helpful it is. Other frontier models don't have this problem. Llama 405B response would be exactly what I expect https://x.com/WesleyYue/status/1816157147413278811

That response is bad python though, I can't think of why you'd ever want a dict with Literal typed keys.

Either use a TypedDict if you want the keys to be in a specific set, or, in your case since both the keys and the values are static you should really be using an Enum

Re: Large Enough

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Links to chat with models that released this week: Large 2 - https://chat.mistral.ai/chat Llama 3.1 405b - https://www.llama2.ai/ I just tested Mistral Large 2 and Llama 3.1 405b on 5 prompts from my Claude history. I'd rank as: 1. Sonnet 3.5 2. Large 2 and Llama 405b (similar, no clear winner between the two) If you're using Claude, stick with it. My Claude wishlist: 1. Smarter (yes, it's the most intelligent, and y…

Claude needs to fix their text input box. It tries to be so advanced that code in backticks gets reformatted, and when you copy it, the formatting is lost (even the backticks).

Claude is truly incredible but I'm so tired of the JavaScript bloat everywhere. Just why. Both theirs and ChatGPTs UIs are hot garbage when it comes to performance (I constantly have to clear my cache and have even relegated them to a different browser entirely). Not everyone has an M4, and if we did - we'd probably just run our own models.

Re: Large Enough

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Links to chat with models that released this week: Large 2 - https://chat.mistral.ai/chat Llama 3.1 405b - https://www.llama2.ai/ I just tested Mistral Large 2 and Llama 3.1 405b on 5 prompts from my Claude history. I'd rank as: 1. Sonnet 3.5 2. Large 2 and Llama 405b (similar, no clear winner between the two) If you're using Claude, stick with it. My Claude wishlist: 1. Smarter (yes, it's the most intelligent, and y…

All 3 models you ranked cannot get "how many r's are in strawberry?" correct. They all claim 2 r's unless you press them. With all the training data I'm surprised none of them fixed this yet.

I really wanted to believe this could be simply fixed by more prompt engineering and chain of thought, so I tried it with Claude 3.5 and … well unfortunately still no luck. the reply is amusing - I’ll include it verbatim below.

Of note, this happened because earlier I had asked it without CoT and it incorrectly stated two “r”s. Once I started a new conversation (so fresh context window), it gave the right answer (3) and no longer claimed the “still the second r” as shown below.

Let's think through this step-by-step:

1. First, let's spell out "strawberry" letter by letter: s-t-r-a-w-b-e-r-r-y

2. Now, let's count the "r"s as we go through each letter: s (0) t (0) r (1) - First "r" found a (1) w (1) b (1) e (1) r (2) - Second "r" found r (2) - This is still the second "r" y (2)

3. After going through all the letters, we've counted 2 "r"s.

Therefore, the word "strawberry" contains 2 "r"s.

Re: Large Enough

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That would make each API call cost at least $3 ($3 is price per million input tokens). And if you have a 10 message interaction you are looking at $30+ for the interaction. Is that what you would expect?

Gemini 1.5 Pro charges $0.35/million tokens up to the first million tokens or $0.70/million tokens for prompts longer than one million tokens, and it supports a multi-million token context window. Substantially cheaper than $3/million, but I guess Anthropic’s prices are higher.

You're looking at the pricing for Gemini 1.5 Flash. Pro is $3.50 for <128k tokens, else $7.

Re: Large Enough

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Gemini 1.5 Pro charges $0.35/million tokens up to the first million tokens or $0.70/million tokens for prompts longer than one million tokens, and it supports a multi-million token context window. Substantially cheaper than $3/million, but I guess Anthropic’s prices are higher.

You're looking at the pricing for Gemini 1.5 Flash. Pro is $3.50 for <128k tokens, else $7.

Ah... oops. For some reason, that page isn't rendering properly on my browser: https://imgur.com/a/XLFBPMI

When I glanced at the pricing earlier, I didn't notice there was a dropdown at all.

Re: Large Enough

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An LLM trained on single letter tokens would be able to, it just would be much more laborious to train.

Why would it be able to?

If you give LLMs the letters one a time they often count them just fine, though Claude at least seems to need to keep a running count to get it right:

"How many R letters are in the following? Keep a running count. s t r a w b e r r y"

They are terrible at counting letters in words because they rarely see them spelled out. An LLM trained one byte at a time would always see every character of every word and would have a much easier time of it. An LLM is essentially learning a new language without a dictionary, of course it's pretty bad at spelling. The tokenization obfuscates the spelling not entirely unlike how verbal language doesn't always illuminate spelling.

Re: Large Enough

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Notice though, that all these improvements have been with pretty basic transformer models that output all their tokens-- no internal thoughts, no search, no architecture improvements and things are only fed through them once. But we could add internal thoughts-- we could make the model generate tokens that aren't part of its output but are there for it to better figure out its next token. This was tried QuietSTAR. Ho…

> But we could add internal thoughts It feels like there’s an assumption in the community that this will be almost trivial. I suspect it will be one of the hardest tasks humanity has ever endeavoured. I’m guessing it has already been tried many times in internal development. I suspect if you start creating a feedback loop with these models they will tend to become very unstable very fast. We already see with these mo…

>I suspect if you start creating a feedback loop with these models they will tend to become very unstable very fast. We already see with these more linear LLMs that they can be extremely sensitive to the values of parameters like the temperature settings, and can go “crazy” fairly easily.

I'm in the process of spinning out one of these tools into a product: they do not. They become smarter at the price of burning GPU cycles like there's no tomorrow.

I'd go as far as saying we've solved AGI, it's just that the energy budget is larger than the energy budget of the planet currently.

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