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Re: Large Enough

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This race for the top model is getting wild. Everyone is claiming to one-up each with every version. My experience (benchmarks aside) Claude 3.5 Sonnet absolutely blows everything away. I'm not really sure how to even test/use Mistral or Llama for everyday use though.

To help keep track of the race, I put together a simple dashboard to visualize model/provider leaders in capability, throughput, and cost. Hope someone finds it useful! Google Sheet: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1foc98Jtbi0-GUsNySddv...

Not my site, but check out https://artificialanalysis.ai

Re: Large Enough

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All 3 models you ranked cannot get "how many r's are in strawberry?" correct. They all claim 2 r's unless you press them. With all the training data I'm surprised none of them fixed this yet.

Testing models on their tokenization has always struck me as kinda odd. Like, that has nothing to do with their intelligence.

> that has nothing to do with their intelligence.

Of course. Because these models have no intelligence.

Everyone who believes they do seem to believe intelligence derives from being able to use language, however, and not being able to tell how many times the letter r is in the word strawberry is a very low bar to not pass.

Re: Large Enough

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This race for the top model is getting wild. Everyone is claiming to one-up each with every version. My experience (benchmarks aside) Claude 3.5 Sonnet absolutely blows everything away. I'm not really sure how to even test/use Mistral or Llama for everyday use though.

Whoever will choose to finally release their model without neutering / censoring / alignment will win.

There is gold in the streets, and no one seems to be willing to scoop it up.

Re: Large Enough

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This. It's really weird the way we suddenly live in a world where it's the norm to take whatever a tech company says about future products at face value. This is the same world where Tesla promised "zero intervention LA to NYC self driving" by the end of the year in 2016, 2017, 2018, 2019, 2020, 2021, 2022, 2023, and 2024. The same world where we know for a fact that multiple GenAI demos by multiple companies were ju…

Meta just keeps releasing their models as open-source, so that whole line of thinking breaks down quickly.

Re: Large Enough

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Links to chat with models that released this week: Large 2 - https://chat.mistral.ai/chat Llama 3.1 405b - https://www.llama2.ai/ I just tested Mistral Large 2 and Llama 3.1 405b on 5 prompts from my Claude history. I'd rank as: 1. Sonnet 3.5 2. Large 2 and Llama 405b (similar, no clear winner between the two) If you're using Claude, stick with it. My Claude wishlist: 1. Smarter (yes, it's the most intelligent, and y…

All 3 models you ranked cannot get "how many r's are in strawberry?" correct. They all claim 2 r's unless you press them. With all the training data I'm surprised none of them fixed this yet.

Plug in a code interpreter as a tool and the model will write Python or JavaScript to solve this and get it right 100% of the time. (Full disclosure: I work on a product called Riza that you can use as a code interpreter tool for LLMs)

Re: Large Enough

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It is. Strawberry is one token in many tokenziers. The model doesn't have a concept that there are letters there.

This is pretty much equivalent to the statement "multicharacter tokens are a dead end for understanding text". Which I agree with.

That doesn't follow from what he said at all. Knowing how to spell words and understanding them are basically unrelated tasks.

Re: Large Enough

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I hear this a lot but there are vast sums of money thrown at where a model fails the strawberry cases. Think about math and logic. If a single symbol is off, it’s no good. Like a prompt where we can generate a single tokenization error at my work, by my very rough estimates, generates 2 man hours of work. (We search for incorrect model responses, get them to correct themselves, and if they can’t after trying, we tell…

> Think about math and logic. If a single symbol is off, it’s no good. In that case the tokenization is done at the appropriate level. This is a complete non-issue for the use cases these models are designed for.

But we don’t restrict it to math or logical syntax. Any prompt across essentially all domains. The same model is expected to handle any kind of logical reasoning that can be brought into text. We don’t mark it incorrect if it spells an unimportant word wrong, however keep in mind the spelling of a word can be important for many questions, for example—off the top of my head: please concatenate “d”, “e”, “a”, “r” into a common English word without rearranging the order. The types of examples are endless. And any type of example it gets wrong, we want to correct it. I’m not saying most models will fail this specific example, but it’s to show the breadth of expectations.

Re: Large Enough

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All 3 models you ranked cannot get "how many r's are in strawberry?" correct. They all claim 2 r's unless you press them. With all the training data I'm surprised none of them fixed this yet.

Does anyone have input on the feasibility of running an LLM locally and providing an interface to some language runtime and storage space, possibly via a virtual machine or container? No idea if there's any sense to this, but an LLM could be instructed to formulate and continually test mathematical assumptions by writing / running code and fine-tuning accordingly.

Yes, we are doing this at Riza[0] (via WASM). I'd love to have folks try our downloadable CLI which wraps isolated Python/JS runtimes (also Ruby/PHP but LLMs don't seem to write those very well). Shoot me an email[1] or say hi in Discord[1].

[0]:https://riza.io [1]:mailto:andrew@riza.io [2]:https://discord.gg/4P6PUeJFW5

Re: Large Enough

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I didn't even need to do that. 4o got it right straight away with just: "how many r's are in strawberry?" The funny thing is, I replied, "Are you sure?" and got back, "I apologize for the mistake. There are actually two 'r's in the word strawberry."

GPT-4o-mini consistently gives me this: > How many times does the letter “r” appear in the word “strawberry”? > The letter "r" appears 2 times in the word "strawberry." But also: > How many occurrences of the letter “r” appear in the word “strawberry”? > The word "strawberry" contains three occurrences of the letter "r."

Neither phrase is causing the LLM to evaluate the word itself, it just helps focus toward parts of the training data.

Using more 'erudite' speech is a good technique to help focus an LLM on training data from folks with a higher education level.

Using simpler speech opens up the floodgates more toward the general populous.

Re: Large Enough

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This race for the top model is getting wild. Everyone is claiming to one-up each with every version. My experience (benchmarks aside) Claude 3.5 Sonnet absolutely blows everything away. I'm not really sure how to even test/use Mistral or Llama for everyday use though.

I'd rank Claude 3.5 overall better. GPT-4o seems to have on par to better vision models, typescript, and math abilities.

llama is on meta.ai

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