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Re: Large Enough

#171
The models are converging slowly. In the end, it will come down to the user experience and the "personality." I have been enjoying the new Claude Sonnet. It feels sharper than the others, even though it is not the highest-scoring one.

One thing that `exponentialists` forget is that each step also requires exponentially more energy and resources.

Re: Large Enough

#172
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These companies full of brilliant engineers are throwing millions of dollars in training costs to produce SOTA models that are... "on par with GPT-4o and Claude Opus"? And then the next 2.23% bump will cost another XX million? It seems increasingly apparent that we are reaching the limits of throwing more data at more GPUs; that an ARC prize level breakthrough is needed to move the needle any farther at this point.

I think GPT5 will be the signal of whether or not we have hit a plateau. The space is still rapidly developing, and while large model gains are getting harder to pick apart, there have been enormous gains in the capabilities of light weight models.

Which is why they'll keep calling the next few models GPT4.X

Re: Large Enough

#173
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It’s not impressive that one has to go to that length though.

You can always find something to be unimpressed by I suppose, but the fact that this was fixable with plain english is impressive enough to me.

The technology is frustrating because (a) you never know what may require fixing, and (b) you never know if it is fixable by further instructions, and if so, by which ones. You also mostly* cannot teach it any fixes (as an end user). Using it is just exhausting.

*) that is, except sometimes by making adjustments to the system prompt

Re: Large Enough

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When using a prompt that involves thinking first, all three get it correct. "Count how many rs are in the word strawberry. First, list each letter and indicate whether it's an r and tally as you go, and then give a count at the end." Llama 405b: correct Mistral Large 2: correct Claude 3.5 Sonnet: correct

It’s not impressive that one has to go to that length though.

> In a park people come across a man playing chess against a dog. They are astonished and say: "What a clever dog!" But the man protests: "No, no, he isn't that clever. I'm leading by three games to one!"

Re: Large Enough

#176

The models are converging slowly. In the end, it will come down to the user experience and the "personality." I have been enjoying the new Claude Sonnet. It feels sharper than the others, even though it is not the highest-scoring one. One thing that `exponentialists` forget is that each step also requires exponentially more energy and resources.

I have been paying for OpenAI since they started accepting payment, but to echo your comment, Claude is so good I am primarily relying on it now for LLM driven work and cancelled my OpenAI subscription. Genuine kudos to Mistral, they are a worthy competitor in the space against Goliaths. They make someone mediocre at writing code less so, so I can focus on higher value work.

Re: Large Enough

#177

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You'd think so, but 3.5-turbo was multilingual from the get go and benefitted massively from it. If you want to position yourself as a global leader, then excluding 95% of the world who aren't English native speakers seems like a bad idea.

Yeah clearly, OpenAI is rocketing forward and beyond.

Constant infighting and most of the competent people leaving will do that to a company.

I mean more on a model performance level though. It's been shown that something trained in one language trains the model to be able to output it in any other language it knows. There's quality human data being left on the table otherwise. Besides, translation is one of the few tasks that language models are by far the best at if trained properly, so why not do something you can sell as a main feature?

Re: Large Enough

#178

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I suspect this is why OpenAI is going more in the direction of optimising for price / latency / whatever with 4o-mini and whatnot. Presumably they found out long before the rest of us did that models can't really get all that much better than what we're approaching now, and once you're there the only thing you can compete on is how many parameters it takes and how cheaply you can serve that to users.

> the only thing you can compete on is how many parameters it takes and how cheaply you can serve that to users. The problem with this strategy is that it's really tough to compete with open models in this space over the long run. If you look at OpenAI's homepage right now they're trying to promote "ChatGPT on your desktop", so it's clear even they realize that most people are looking for a local product. But once ag…

In the long run maybe but it's going to take probably 5 years or more before laptops such as Macbook M3 with 64 GB RAM will be mainstream. Also it's going going to take a while before such models with 70B params will be bundled in Windows and Mac with system update. Even more time before you will have such models inside your smartphone.

OpenAI did a good move with making GPTo mini so dirty cheap that it's faster and cheaper to run than LLama 3.1 70B. Most consumers will interact with LLM via some apps using LLM API, Web Panel on desktop or native mobile app for the same reason most people use GMail etc. instead of native email client. Setting up IMAP, POP etc is for most people out of reach the same like installing Ollama + Docker + OpenWebUI

App developers are not gonna bet on local LLM only as long they are not mainstream and preinstalled on 50%+ devices.

Re: Large Enough

#179
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"Mistral Large 2 is equipped with enhanced function calling and retrieval skills and has undergone training to proficiently execute both parallel and sequential function calls, enabling it to serve as the power engine of complex business applications." Why does the chart below say the "Function Calling" accuracy is about 50%? Does that mean it fails half the time with complex operations?

Relatedly, what does "parallel" function calling mean in this context?

That's when the LLM can respond with multiple functions it wants you to call at once. You might send it:

    Location and population of Paris, France
A parallel function calling LLM could return:

    {
      "role": "assistant",
      "content": "",
      "tool_calls": [
        {
          "function": {
            "name": "get_city_coordinates",
            "arguments": "{\"city\": \"Paris\"}"
          }
        }, {
          "function": {
            "name": "get_city_population",
            "arguments": "{\"city\": \"Paris\"}"
          }
        }
      ]
    }
Indicating that you should execute both of those functions and return the results to the LLM as part of the next prompt.

Re: Large Enough

#180

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Agreed on everything, but calling the marvel movies slop…I think that word has gone too far.

Not all Marvel films are slop. But, as a fan who comes from a family of fans and someone who has watched almost all of them; lets be real. That particular film, really and most of them, contain copious amounts of what is absolutely slop . I don't know if the utility is worse than an LLM that is SOTA for 2 months that no one even bothers switching to however - at least the marvel slop is being used for entertainment b…

>really and most of them, contain copious amounts of what is absolutely slop.

I thought that was the allure, something that's camp funny and an easy watch.

I have only watched a few of them so I am not fully familiar?

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