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Cure for male pattern baldness given boost by sugar discovery

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Re: Cure for male pattern baldness given boost by sugar discovery

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Dutasteride and finasteride can also reverse some baldness.

The side effect profile isn't great, unfortunately. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Finasteride#Adverse_effects

There is a huge amount of FUD about finasteride online. The adverse effects most guys worry about with finasteride are the same sorts of issues that can caused by anxiety. Finasteride can actually increase free testosterone by 10-15%. Additionally, it's possible to capture most of the therapeutic benefit at a lower dosage than 1mg/day, further reducing the side effect potential.

Re: Cure for male pattern baldness given boost by sugar discovery

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> Findings from the study show that the deoxy ribose sugar is as effective at regrowing hair as Minoxidil - an existing drug used to treat hair loss

Minoxidil is barely effective, especially for something that became widely available. It got approved in the 80s as a topical version of a hypertension drug, and IIRC the McStudy that supported it was funded by the original patent holder.

I don't think anyone had much of a problem with it, as the market was previously 100% snake oil, and this sort of thing happens even with drugs for serious diseases. If you benefit from the placebo effect and stop stressing out about it, then maybe the drug really "works"?

Since the discovery in the article is pretty much a mirror of the story of Minoxidil, I would default to being skeptical of the claims.

The 5-alpha-reductase (5ar) inhibitors [1] like finasteride and dutasteride do work. The 5ar enzyme converts testosterone into dihydrotestosterone (DHT.) Over time, DHT causes sensitive follicles to shrink further and further and the hair growth phase to get shorter and shorter, until it reaches zero. People whose skin is genetically less DHT-sensitive go bald later in life or not at all.

However, the inhibitors have systemic reach, and their long-term consequences are hard to study. It is (was?) believed that DHT is not practically useful in adults, but this was partly based on research on people who are 5ar-deficient due to a genetic mutation. They also have a less-than-pretty clinical picture [2] because they had no DHT when it mattered (in the womb) so the safety argument has always been rather tentative.

If you're balding, you should ask yourself how much it really matters to you. Are you willing to take a serious drug for decades, with less-than-well-understood systemic consequences? No one will really be able to answer your what-ifs.

Some people really stress out about it, and I'd say they are good candidates. But if you don't really care all that much, you're much better off letting Darwin take the wheel on this one.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_5α-reductase_inhibitor...

[2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/5α-Reductase_2_deficiency

Re: Cure for male pattern baldness given boost by sugar discovery

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I just started taking finasteride and it seems it has negatively impacted my arousal patterns. I am also transgender and taking estrogen (but no t-blockers, hence the finasteride) but I did not make any other med changes for a year when I started finasteride so the correlation feels pretty clear. I would rather not be taking it!

I thought after you take estrogen long enough you don't have to take t blockers or fin anyway? Once your body see's you have enough sex hormone doesn't it naturally stop T, even if the hormone is estrogen? (Sorry for the stupid question)

If you take a high enough dose of estrogen, generally referred to as estrogen mono therapy, it will knock down your T levels. But high estrogen levels have some risks as well, and different doctors have different preferred approaches. My doctor is willing to do estrogen monotherapy, but I would have to switch from oral pills to injections as the higher dosages taken orally would be hard on the kidneys. Before switching to injections, I just wanted to see how finasteride worked for me. It is okay, but not perfect.

It is hard to tell if what I am experiencing is a side effect of the finasteride unrelated to my T levels, or it is due to some reduction in the effects of testosterone because of the mechanism of action of the finasteride. If it is the latter, switching to injections and doing monotherapy to lower my T could have the same effects. The fact of the matter is the penis functions better with testosterone in my system but testosterone also leads to hair loss, so trying to get both is somewhat of an imperfect balancing act.

But hey, I'm having the best sex of my life and the people I am attracted to think I am hot as hell so I don't mind a little experimentation to see what works best! Actually its super cool what we can do with a little hormonal alchemy.

Re: Cure for male pattern baldness given boost by sugar discovery

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> Findings from the study show that the deoxy ribose sugar is as effective at regrowing hair as Minoxidil - an existing drug used to treat hair loss Minoxidil is barely effective, especially for something that became widely available. It got approved in the 80s as a topical version of a hypertension drug, and IIRC the McStudy that supported it was funded by the original patent holder. I don't think anyone had much of…

Completely ancedotal, but I've taken minoxidil and finasteride for a little over a year. I took a break from minoxidil only for a few months and found my hair grew considerably slower than when I was on both. I think this makes sense given what minoxidil is supposed to do, which is not "save the hair" but, as I understand it, accelerate the hair growth cycle

Re: Cure for male pattern baldness given boost by sugar discovery

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I just started taking finasteride and it seems it has negatively impacted my arousal patterns. I am also transgender and taking estrogen (but no t-blockers, hence the finasteride) but I did not make any other med changes for a year when I started finasteride so the correlation feels pretty clear. I would rather not be taking it!

I wonder what the cancer rates are for people mixing up hormones like that?

I think estrogen increases my risk of breast cancer to that of a cis woman, but decreases some chances of testosterone related cancers. I really don't know much about this, but in general it seemed like I did not particularly have increased risks.

Re: Cure for male pattern baldness given boost by sugar discovery

#77
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Finasteride does not suppress your natural testosterone production. Your free testosterone levels might actually be increased. As precursors are no longer converted into dihydrotestosterone but into testosterone...

I think you need to keep reading. Finasteride blocks the enzyme that converts testosterone to DHT, which initially raises your testosterone levels. Your body reacts to this by secreting less luteinizing hormone, which results in less testosterone production, and your test levels return pre-finasteride levels. This is the suppression of natural testosterone production, and is exactly the same reaction you’d get from d…

I see you added "which you’re not going to notice unless you ever stop taking it."

Re: Cure for male pattern baldness given boost by sugar discovery

#78

> Findings from the study show that the deoxy ribose sugar is as effective at regrowing hair as Minoxidil - an existing drug used to treat hair loss Minoxidil is barely effective, especially for something that became widely available. It got approved in the 80s as a topical version of a hypertension drug, and IIRC the McStudy that supported it was funded by the original patent holder. I don't think anyone had much of…

Maybe you're 100% right but I remember reading this article:

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/08/18/health/minoxidil-hair-los...

It seems to suggest that oral minoxidil can be at least moderately effective

I suspect the only reason we don't hear about this more is that the patent expired and most docs only know what is marketed to them by drug reps

Re: Cure for male pattern baldness given boost by sugar discovery

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Since this is related to a 'sugar', I wondered if the (keto) diet could have an impact. The metabolic cycles of deoxyribose are mainly related to DNA metabolic pathways, which isn't really related that is the glucose/insulin metabolism. In particular, these DNA pathways are very reliant on nutrient and vitamins (folic acid, B6, B12, ...), , so that is the first thing to take into account in the diet.

But further than that, there are other ways it can majorly impact DNA repair. For instance ATP production, and there is extensive research showing that cell inflammation is reduced by ketosis, and so by different mechanisms (reduction in oxidative stress, BHB metabolism, etc).

Also note that in the other direction, the keto diet can promote hair loss in two ways. The first is short term, as the body takes one month to adjust from high-carb diet to low-carb, so it may cause a short nutrient deficiency. The second is long term, in the case of "dirty keto" diet. It is an approach where people only cares about getting the macro values right (that is a proportion of about 70% fat, 20% protein and 5% carbohydrates), and does not care about nutritional value. So industrial highly-processed food-stuff instead of veggies. This can cause serious nutrient deficiency that is really harmful.

Re: Cure for male pattern baldness given boost by sugar discovery

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Oi! Baldy Just accept that it is part of life and of being male. Its because we have testosterone. save yourself a small fortune in hair cuts Buy yourself some decent hair clippers No 1, job done If you want hair on your head grow a beard

I'm sick of these people telling others people just accept it and shave it up. Most people look better with hair, losing your hair is a drastic change, for most people it takes years to cope with it and if someone want to go to treatment it's ok.

I've always held the position that the further back my hair recedes the shorter i will cut it.

what I discovered was, this means I spend MORE on haircuts. because shorter haircuts require more frequent haircuts to maintain their neat look.

I'm pretty much at a point now that I'm just going to buy one of those head shavers to run over my head every morning. If it can work for Picard i can make it work for me.

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