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Re: Ask HN: What do you guys think of the current job market in tech?

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Post by nopelynopington »

I'm in the EU, I just picked up a new job as a senior dev. I had been a team lead / manager but struggled to find another role as I only have two years experience in management. Picking up a dev role was easier.

Things I've learned in the process (and from being on interview panels myself)

1) I tend to stay in a job a long time (5 years plus) and this is highly valued by interviewers

2) in tech interviews you need to constantly remind yourself that you are not really coding, you are demonstrating knowledge. Talk through every thing you do, explain why you did it, or what an alternative way could be.

3) referrals really help. I've gotten interviews from referrals when there wasn't a position advertised yet

4) every place out there is doing something with AI. Put a bit of python on your CV and play with ChatGPT, ask them about it, work in into conversation that you're learning it.

5) I put side projects on my CV and I get asked a lot about them. If you have something semi serious, employers will listen.

Re: Ask HN: What do you guys think of the current job market in tech?

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Post by kapitanjakc »

mx_2000 wrote: post #10

Which country are you from? And how old are your friends? I heard a lot of this from the US but from my impression it's quite different in the EU (or maybe just in my bubble?)

I don't think it's just there.

I am from India, but the people I am talking about are from everywhere, but specifically, US, UK, Germany, India and Australia.

Re: Ask HN: What do you guys think of the current job market in tech?

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Post by adelie »

2muchcoffeeman wrote: post #7
EVa5I7bHFq9mnYK wrote: post #3

Are programmers being replaced by ChatGPT finally?

There’s no way you can replace competent programmers with ChatGPT. I still have to check the output all the time and it’s often wrong or just doesn’t even know what I’m asking about.

my impression is that you can't replace competent programmers with chatGPT, but that hasn't stopped companies from trying (or simply accepting incompetency).

Re: Ask HN: What do you guys think of the current job market in tech?

#35

Post by darkwizard42 »

Andaith wrote: post #24

It's pretty brutal here in Australia. Higher interest rates mean companies are aggressively reducing headcount. Insanely high immigration means statistically for every 1 job being created we're importing 1.4 workers. Job vacancies across the economy are down 16.4% yearly change according to ABS. Also according to ABS, Job vacancies, change from February 2020 to May 2024, for IT is an increase of just 1.8%. In summary…

The solution to a housing crisis is to limit immigration? Wouldn’t it be to build more dense housing (thereby spurring economic activity and lowering a primary expense of households)???

Re: Ask HN: What do you guys think of the current job market in tech?

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Post by olivierduval »

5-9 years is a "bad" spot for developers: devs are too skilled to be cheap or to accept "junior" job & pay, and have not enough experience to be a "jack of all trade"

Here, in France, the job market is really slowing. More than before, companies are looking for cheap people... so they let go people with some experience and try to recruit engineer out-of-school to replace them. Obviously it doesn't work really well... neither for the juniors (too much pressure/expectation) nor for the rest of the team (knowledges & experience loss, need to teach the basics of the company to the new...)

ChatGPT is sometimes a bit used by junior to help them "day to day"... but not really more than "google / stack overflow" 20 or 30 years ago.

Re: Ask HN: What do you guys think of the current job market in tech?

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Post by kapitanjakc »

nopelynopington wrote: post #31

I'm in the EU, I just picked up a new job as a senior dev. I had been a team lead / manager but struggled to find another role as I only have two years experience in management. Picking up a dev role was easier. Things I've learned in the process (and from being on interview panels myself) 1) I tend to stay in a job a long time (5 years plus) and this is highly valued by interviewers 2) in tech interviews you need to…

Good insights, thanks, I'll pass these on.

Re: Ask HN: What do you guys think of the current job market in tech?

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Post by nopelynopington »

kapitanjakc wrote: post #27
crooked-v wrote: post #26

I feel like at least part of the problem is that tech hiring as a whole just hasn't adapted to remote work. Companies are still using the same hiring pipelines from when everyone was naturally filtered by being within X miles of the office (or motivated enough to relocate), so they get bajillions of applications they're unable to handle properly, which leads to devs who would previously stand out also having to apply…

For all of those candidates remote is a taboo word, if they even mention remote work, any potential interview gets blown. Companies are treating it as a crime to ask for remote work.

I only look for remote jobs, I don't try and convince non remote jobs to be remote.

Re: Ask HN: What do you guys think of the current job market in tech?

#39

Post by shiroiushi »

darkwizard42 wrote: post #35
Andaith wrote: post #24

It's pretty brutal here in Australia. Higher interest rates mean companies are aggressively reducing headcount. Insanely high immigration means statistically for every 1 job being created we're importing 1.4 workers. Job vacancies across the economy are down 16.4% yearly change according to ABS. Also according to ABS, Job vacancies, change from February 2020 to May 2024, for IT is an increase of just 1.8%. In summary…

The solution to a housing crisis is to limit immigration? Wouldn’t it be to build more dense housing (thereby spurring economic activity and lowering a primary expense of households)???

>Wouldn’t it be to build more dense housing

No, because the NIMBYs don't want that, and if the local government has power over whether dense housing is built or not, the NIMBYs will be sure to get their local legislators to prevent it.

Re: Ask HN: What do you guys think of the current job market in tech?

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Post by MrSS »

Andaith wrote: post #24

It's pretty brutal here in Australia. Higher interest rates mean companies are aggressively reducing headcount. Insanely high immigration means statistically for every 1 job being created we're importing 1.4 workers. Job vacancies across the economy are down 16.4% yearly change according to ABS. Also according to ABS, Job vacancies, change from February 2020 to May 2024, for IT is an increase of just 1.8%. In summary…

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