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The workers have spoken: They're staying home

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Re: The workers have spoken: They're staying home

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>drive There is your problem. Personal automobiles aren't a feasible method of transportation past a certain population density.

Buses also are useless. Thry routinely waste you hours due to their slowness and inconsistency. The choices really are two: subway (or any dedicated rail thing) or car.

Buses are only slow and inconsistent because of cars.

Re: The workers have spoken: They're staying home

#32
post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>drive There is your problem. Personal automobiles aren't a feasible method of transportation past a certain population density.

Buses also are useless. Thry routinely waste you hours due to their slowness and inconsistency. The choices really are two: subway (or any dedicated rail thing) or car.

Buses can be very dependable and cheaper than rail if they run in dedicated bus lanes.

You’re right that they aren’t much use if they get stuck in the same traffic as everyone else.

Re: The workers have spoken: They're staying home

#34
I would be interested to hear from Indian, Philipino or other off- near- shore locations. Is this “give me WFH or give me death” actually just USA/European entitlement and Chennai Devs will gleefully work in air-conditioned offices (hopefully not open plan cubicle hell but nicely designed “WeWork-like” places) and discover the turbo-charge of a co-located mission locked team?

Are we Western Devs about to learn a very hard lesson?

Re: The workers have spoken: They're staying home

#35

It shouldn't take me an hour and 30 minutes in congested, underbuilt roads to drive 20 miles into the office. Cities and their wealthy politically-connected commercial office building owners have had decades to fix this problem. No sympathy.

Weird thing is, you'd think Google+Meta would have enough pull to fix this in areas like SF Bay because they could literally build their own city and wreck the entire Bay Area economy...

Re: The workers have spoken: They're staying home

#36

My problem is that I quite like working with other people. It’s really hard to build relationships with other human beings when not in the same physical location- sharing jokes, lunches, walks and just shouting across the room about the weird code change . It’s vital. Most large companies think that as they are hiring “the best from around the world” that leaving them around the world is fine. Look leaving people on…

I'm the opposite from you. I would rather light my hair on fire than do anything in person with anyone on my team.

I was no less productive working from home during the pandemic, a metric I can back up with completed user stores and completed projects.

If you want to go back into the office then please, by all means, as that's clearly the place that you work better in, but don't force people who are less efficient in the office to come into the office.

Re: The workers have spoken: They're staying home

#37
post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>drive There is your problem. Personal automobiles aren't a feasible method of transportation past a certain population density.

Buses also are useless. Thry routinely waste you hours due to their slowness and inconsistency. The choices really are two: subway (or any dedicated rail thing) or car.

Or get this, a bike (in case you live under ~10 km away). Just rolls the gym hours into the commute for double efficiency, and you can be always on time since traffic can't really affect you.

Re: The workers have spoken: They're staying home

#38
post #4

They have given us fuck all for raises during a period of rampant inflation and now they want to take away the one good thing that covid-19 did for workers.

Median incomes have outpaced inflation over the last several years. https://www.axios.com/2024/02/05/wages-outpacing-inflation

And at the same time people struggle to pay rent. Official inflation numbers doesn't correlate how 'median' earner spends its salary.

Re: The workers have spoken: They're staying home

#39
post #8

When someone says you must RTO to a place like San Francisco or Seattle just respond that you will require a 250% pay raise for real estate cost differences. Might help change zoning policy in those cities too if managers and executives see that the entire local economy is basically an elaborate machine to funnel money to property owners with extra steps like employment.

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Re: The workers have spoken: They're staying home

#40
post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>drive There is your problem. Personal automobiles aren't a feasible method of transportation past a certain population density.

Buses also are useless. Thry routinely waste you hours due to their slowness and inconsistency. The choices really are two: subway (or any dedicated rail thing) or car.

Buses utilize the same roads/infrastructure the personal cars do which is a huge advantage for scaling. Subway/rail requires dedicated rights of way, are very expensive to scale, require much more money for the smaller/less used end product.
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