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Physicist, 98, honoured with doctorate 75 years after groundbreaking discovery

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Re: Physicist, 98, honoured with doctorate 75 years after groundbreaking discovery

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Every person I know with a PhD now in their 40s and 50s (7 people) doesn’t have a family and wished they did and didn’t have a PhD. I’d love to see a study on that. I’m never bothered because it looked like too much effort for little money.

More than half of the PhDs I know (in technical fields) have families. Actually, almost all of them.

Re: Physicist, 98, honoured with doctorate 75 years after groundbreaking discovery

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Every person I know with a PhD now in their 40s and 50s (7 people) doesn’t have a family and wished they did and didn’t have a PhD. I’d love to see a study on that. I’m never bothered because it looked like too much effort for little money.

The majority of the people I know who have PhDs have families with children by 30-35. My experience in grad school is that there are two different classes of people pursuing PhDs: - people whose parents have MSs or PhDs, who had guidance from a very early age, who have been advised the entire way through and are able to complete their PhDs by age 25-28 - people whose parents don't have advanced degrees, who are at a…

> who don't know how to start preparing for grad school applications during sophomore year of undergrad

That was me. I always assumed I'd go to grad school because that's just what was done; I never realized that my parents' meeting in grad school meant they worked normal people jobs for the better part of a decade before continuing their educations.

Re: Physicist, 98, honoured with doctorate 75 years after groundbreaking discovery

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I've also heard quite a few people saying that their PhD was one of the best times of their life, because of how free they were to pursue things they found interesting (many of them have also settled down with a family, as well). Different strokes for different folks, I guess.

Grass is always greener.

That's completely dependent on which side you're watering

Re: Physicist, 98, honoured with doctorate 75 years after groundbreaking discovery

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Every person I know with a PhD now in their 40s and 50s (7 people) doesn’t have a family and wished they did and didn’t have a PhD. I’d love to see a study on that. I’m never bothered because it looked like too much effort for little money.

About half the PhDs I know have families and are happy with their career choice (challenging and rewarding work). You’re casting unfounded judgement IMHO.

Re: Physicist, 98, honoured with doctorate 75 years after groundbreaking discovery

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This is the danger of anecdotes, they can lead to bias. I have a PhD and I had my first child at 28. Almost all of my colleagues have families and children, except for the one person who was unable to attract a suitable mate (and not for lack of trying). Sometimes very bright people have trouble attracting an equivalent person. The pool is that much smaller and other factors (socioeconomic, culture) still play a role…

> This is the danger of anecdotes, they can lead to bias. Your own story is also a dangerous anecdote. Without the context, it's pointless to talk about how amazing your Ph.D. experience was. Study engineering or quantitative marketing? Most likely miserable. Study humanities? Probably happier.

What’s your wisened prognosis on studying Geophysics or Genetic Immunology?

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I suspect that this also depends on field. CS has been hot for a long time now, it's also not extremely expensive to make a dent - or particularly unlikely. In Physics, we graduate an order of magnitude more Phds than there are posts for Phds. There are few remunerative fields which hire Phd physicists.

High paying jobs in finance are stuffed with physics phds.

Many good physicists with PhD degrees don't have the character traits that are necessary to be hired and/or to be successful in finance.

Re: Physicist, 98, honoured with doctorate 75 years after groundbreaking discovery

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Every person I know with a PhD now in their 40s and 50s (7 people) doesn’t have a family and wished they did and didn’t have a PhD. I’d love to see a study on that. I’m never bothered because it looked like too much effort for little money.

This is the danger of anecdotes, they can lead to bias. I have a PhD and I had my first child at 28. Almost all of my colleagues have families and children, except for the one person who was unable to attract a suitable mate (and not for lack of trying). Sometimes very bright people have trouble attracting an equivalent person. The pool is that much smaller and other factors (socioeconomic, culture) still play a role…

>I’d love to see a study on that.

Seems like the relevant quote here.

Re: Physicist, 98, honoured with doctorate 75 years after groundbreaking discovery

#59

Consider how much more research and researchers we could have if we abolished the whole PhD thing.

> Consider how much more research and researchers we could have if we abolished the whole PhD thing.

We would have even more research and researchers if we abolished the whole university/academia thing.

;-) ;-) ;-)

Re: Physicist, 98, honoured with doctorate 75 years after groundbreaking discovery

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I suspect that this also depends on field. CS has been hot for a long time now, it's also not extremely expensive to make a dent - or particularly unlikely. In Physics, we graduate an order of magnitude more Phds than there are posts for Phds. There are few remunerative fields which hire Phd physicists.

High paying jobs in finance are stuffed with physics phds.

I knew a lot of physics (and other) PhD's when I worked in finance but I always wondered if they would have chosen to go into that field if they knew that's where they'd most likely end up.
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