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Re: Caffeine suppresses cerebral grey matter responses to chronic sleep restriction

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Post by luqtas » Mon, Jul 22, 2024, 4:10 PM UTC

xanderlewis wrote: post #97

kkielhofner wrote: post #53

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> highly profitable substance Yes and no. I've been a fan of caffeine pills for years. They are very cheap, readily available (portable), and most importantly to me offer completely consistent dosing. With caffeine pills I'm able to ensure I stay below the FDA recommended maximum daily intake of 400 mg (worst case). Another fun bonus - when a physician asks you what your caffeine intake is and you respond in milligra…

> caffeine addicts are standing in line at Starbucks Have you considered that those people queuing outside Starbucks might be drinking coffee because they enjoy the whole experience? Caffeine pills are an absurdity to me because I only drink coffee for the taste. Why suffer the unwanted effects of a drug without the enjoyment that it’s supposed to come with?

i think you are bitting the dust of getting used to the taste of a drug, just like people who drink wine, beer etc.

these are literally toxic & you get a natural avoidance response the 1° time you try, with very rare cases of acceptance without repulse

Re: Caffeine suppresses cerebral grey matter responses to chronic sleep restriction

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Post by skhunted » Mon, Jul 22, 2024, 4:20 PM UTC

luqtas wrote: post #101

xanderlewis wrote: post #97

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> caffeine addicts are standing in line at Starbucks Have you considered that those people queuing outside Starbucks might be drinking coffee because they enjoy the whole experience? Caffeine pills are an absurdity to me because I only drink coffee for the taste. Why suffer the unwanted effects of a drug without the enjoyment that it’s supposed to come with?

i think you are bitting the dust of getting used to the taste of a drug, just like people who drink wine, beer etc. these are literally toxic & you get a natural avoidance response the 1° time you try, with very rare cases of acceptance without repulse

I never understood the acquired taste thing. If I don’t like the taste the first time I try something then there won’t be a second time. Why acquire a taste for something you didn’t originally like?

Re: Caffeine suppresses cerebral grey matter responses to chronic sleep restriction

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Post by bmacho » Mon, Jul 22, 2024, 4:26 PM UTC

kkielhofner wrote: post #53

ilaksh wrote: post #30

I love my caffeine. But caffeine is an addictive, highly profitable substance. So advertising it and trying to promote it as somehow having real health benefits is widespread. I would not be surprised if routine consumption of caffeine was at least mildly detrimental to health. I think some drugs have managed to gain a special place in our society . Advertising and lobbying warps our perception of these drugs. I even…

> highly profitable substance Yes and no. I've been a fan of caffeine pills for years. They are very cheap, readily available (portable), and most importantly to me offer completely consistent dosing. With caffeine pills I'm able to ensure I stay below the FDA recommended maximum daily intake of 400 mg (worst case). Another fun bonus - when a physician asks you what your caffeine intake is and you respond in milligra…

This is my opinion about caffeine pills too. Cheap, convenient, effective, and safer against overdose than coffee (in one hand, a box of pills is probably lethal amount, but in the other hand, at least for me, it is much easier to control the amount of caffeine using pills, than using coffee).

Re: Caffeine suppresses cerebral grey matter responses to chronic sleep restriction

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Post by guhidalg » Mon, Jul 22, 2024, 4:26 PM UTC

xanderlewis wrote: post #97

kkielhofner wrote: post #53

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> highly profitable substance Yes and no. I've been a fan of caffeine pills for years. They are very cheap, readily available (portable), and most importantly to me offer completely consistent dosing. With caffeine pills I'm able to ensure I stay below the FDA recommended maximum daily intake of 400 mg (worst case). Another fun bonus - when a physician asks you what your caffeine intake is and you respond in milligra…

> caffeine addicts are standing in line at Starbucks Have you considered that those people queuing outside Starbucks might be drinking coffee because they enjoy the whole experience? Caffeine pills are an absurdity to me because I only drink coffee for the taste. Why suffer the unwanted effects of a drug without the enjoyment that it’s supposed to come with?

> Have you considered that those people queuing outside Starbucks might be drinking coffee because they enjoy the whole experience?

Not the OP, but to respond to your question I think that Starbucks is actually hitting its customers with a triple-whammy of caffeine, sugar, and fat that most brains can't resist addiction to. Are you sure they actually enjoy Starbucks coffee and not its addictive components?

Re: Caffeine suppresses cerebral grey matter responses to chronic sleep restriction

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Post by NobodyNada » Mon, Jul 22, 2024, 4:27 PM UTC

skhunted wrote: post #102

luqtas wrote: post #101

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i think you are bitting the dust of getting used to the taste of a drug, just like people who drink wine, beer etc. these are literally toxic & you get a natural avoidance response the 1° time you try, with very rare cases of acceptance without repulse

I never understood the acquired taste thing. If I don’t like the taste the first time I try something then there won’t be a second time. Why acquire a taste for something you didn’t originally like?

For coffee, for me personally: because it wasn't that hard to acquire. It took me like 2 cups of black coffee to get used to the bitterness, and the rest of the flavor is delicious.

Re: Caffeine suppresses cerebral grey matter responses to chronic sleep restriction

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Post by Apocryphon » Mon, Jul 22, 2024, 4:29 PM UTC

xanderlewis wrote: post #97

kkielhofner wrote: post #53

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> highly profitable substance Yes and no. I've been a fan of caffeine pills for years. They are very cheap, readily available (portable), and most importantly to me offer completely consistent dosing. With caffeine pills I'm able to ensure I stay below the FDA recommended maximum daily intake of 400 mg (worst case). Another fun bonus - when a physician asks you what your caffeine intake is and you respond in milligra…

> caffeine addicts are standing in line at Starbucks Have you considered that those people queuing outside Starbucks might be drinking coffee because they enjoy the whole experience? Caffeine pills are an absurdity to me because I only drink coffee for the taste. Why suffer the unwanted effects of a drug without the enjoyment that it’s supposed to come with?

Are they ordering decaf?

Re: Caffeine suppresses cerebral grey matter responses to chronic sleep restriction

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Post by jayd16 » Mon, Jul 22, 2024, 4:31 PM UTC

Apocryphon wrote: post #106

xanderlewis wrote: post #97

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> caffeine addicts are standing in line at Starbucks Have you considered that those people queuing outside Starbucks might be drinking coffee because they enjoy the whole experience? Caffeine pills are an absurdity to me because I only drink coffee for the taste. Why suffer the unwanted effects of a drug without the enjoyment that it’s supposed to come with?

Are they ordering decaf?

Yes, sometimes.

Re: Caffeine suppresses cerebral grey matter responses to chronic sleep restriction

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Post by hangonhn » Mon, Jul 22, 2024, 4:32 PM UTC

Apocryphon wrote: post #106

xanderlewis wrote: post #97

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> caffeine addicts are standing in line at Starbucks Have you considered that those people queuing outside Starbucks might be drinking coffee because they enjoy the whole experience? Caffeine pills are an absurdity to me because I only drink coffee for the taste. Why suffer the unwanted effects of a drug without the enjoyment that it’s supposed to come with?

Are they ordering decaf?

Many people enjoy both the effects and the taste/experience of drinking coffee.

Re: Caffeine suppresses cerebral grey matter responses to chronic sleep restriction

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Post by guerrilla » Mon, Jul 22, 2024, 4:32 PM UTC

amanaplanacanal wrote: post #72

themaninthedark wrote: post #41

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I agree, we should structure society so that people don't have to sell their labor to live merely that they choose to do so. We should give those who choose not to sell their labor the ability to go and live without buying and consuming the labor of others.

Unfortunately, there is almost nowhere on earth where a Hunter-gatherer can survive any more. The few remaining have been pushed to the very edge of survival by agriculturalists taking all the best land.

When I understood this is when I formally became an anarchist. Before grasping that, I didn't realize that I really didn't have a choice, no matter what. You serve or you die. Those are the options.

Re: Caffeine suppresses cerebral grey matter responses to chronic sleep restriction

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Post by BazookaMusic » Mon, Jul 22, 2024, 4:34 PM UTC

skhunted wrote: post #102

luqtas wrote: post #101

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i think you are bitting the dust of getting used to the taste of a drug, just like people who drink wine, beer etc. these are literally toxic & you get a natural avoidance response the 1° time you try, with very rare cases of acceptance without repulse

I never understood the acquired taste thing. If I don’t like the taste the first time I try something then there won’t be a second time. Why acquire a taste for something you didn’t originally like?

Sometimes the first time you try something the new experience can be overwhelming. You can focus on a specific part of an experience, for example the bitterness of a drink and quickly decide you don't like it. It can also be that the first time you try something you are in a bad mood or negatively predisposed towards something, eg. your parents may have said something tastes bad while growing up and you haven't tried it yourself.

Multiple tries of something can lead to different experiences by tweaking different factors.

In the end, some things we just don't like, but one try is not necessarily a good sample.