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Physicist, 98, honoured with doctorate 75 years after groundbreaking discovery

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Re: Physicist, 98, honoured with doctorate 75 years after groundbreaking discovery

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Every person I know with a PhD now in their 40s and 50s (7 people) doesn’t have a family and wished they did and didn’t have a PhD. I’d love to see a study on that. I’m never bothered because it looked like too much effort for little money.

You mean divorced or never married?

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Every person I know with a PhD now in their 40s and 50s (7 people) doesn’t have a family and wished they did and didn’t have a PhD. I’d love to see a study on that. I’m never bothered because it looked like too much effort for little money.

Seems like these folks are in academia or have been in academia until very recently? Academic lifestyle tends to take its toll, especially if you move every n years. But even then your sample seems a bit extreme...

Its hard to see how people who switch to industry relatively soon can be penalized so much (and there are a lot of people like that).

Re: Physicist, 98, honoured with doctorate 75 years after groundbreaking discovery

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Every person I know with a PhD now in their 40s and 50s (7 people) doesn’t have a family and wished they did and didn’t have a PhD. I’d love to see a study on that. I’m never bothered because it looked like too much effort for little money.

I (M 57) don't have children nor a PhD, I don't regret not having children but do wonder if I missed out on something not having a PhD.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

You mean divorced or never married?

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Looks like not a particularly good one at that (I would hope for a higher than average ability to get along with people).

Re: Physicist, 98, honoured with doctorate 75 years after groundbreaking discovery

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Interesting that The Guardian is leading the way in finally having non-gendered headlines, i.e. not saying "Female physicist recognized 75 years after discovery" or "Rosemary Fowler, 98-year old physicist, recognized 75 years after discovery".

This will hopefully pave the way for truer equality in that the most common reaction reading this headline would probably be "oh no, why has this physicist not gotten the recognition" rather than the latter, which is more polarising -- it leads to either "outrageous, look here is one more neglected woman!" or "here we go, one more feminist complaint".

Re: Physicist, 98, honoured with doctorate 75 years after groundbreaking discovery

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Every person I know with a PhD now in their 40s and 50s (7 people) doesn’t have a family and wished they did and didn’t have a PhD. I’d love to see a study on that. I’m never bothered because it looked like too much effort for little money.

Where are you meeting these people? Selection bias?

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post #15

Interesting that The Guardian is leading the way in finally having non-gendered headlines, i.e. not saying "Female physicist recognized 75 years after discovery" or "Rosemary Fowler, 98-year old physicist, recognized 75 years after discovery". This will hopefully pave the way for truer equality in that the most common reaction reading this headline would probably be "oh no, why has this physicist not gotten the recog…

Nah, probably wasn't them as there was a Press Association headline being syndicated around for a few days with the same format (so good on Press Association for that)

Re: Physicist, 98, honoured with doctorate 75 years after groundbreaking discovery

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> The year after the discovery, Fowler left university having published her discovery in three academic papers. Back in the days where two papers in nature wasn’t enough to to instantly get you a PhD I guess! Hopefully she was kept in the loop by her husband (fellow physicist) so she could feel rewarded even in real time.

In the US a PhD has many pantronizing requirements, but in the UK, where Fowler is, is much more mature, usually only requiring a thesis. But with the war and kids and life, Fowler may have felt there was no need to get a PhD since she didn't plan to return to work as a professional physicist.

Degrees only matter if external pressure demands it.

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Every person I know with a PhD now in their 40s and 50s (7 people) doesn’t have a family and wished they did and didn’t have a PhD. I’d love to see a study on that. I’m never bothered because it looked like too much effort for little money.

Do all seven work at the same place? The PhDs I know mostly work a M-W/9-5 schedule with the occasional late night or weekend day when it's crunch time for a conference deadline. Plenty of time left for family, and they all have families. But that's dependent on departmental culture, and there can be a lot of variance.

I suspect that this also depends on field. CS has been hot for a long time now, it's also not extremely expensive to make a dent - or particularly unlikely. In Physics, we graduate an order of magnitude more Phds than there are posts for Phds. There are few remunerative fields which hire Phd physicists.
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