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Bangladesh imposes curfew after dozens killed in anti-government protests

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Re: Bangladesh imposes curfew after dozens killed in anti-government protests

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Why are you seething about this from the other side of the world? You are presumably an intelligent person, but you, and everyone else that could, left your home country for economic opportunities elsewhere. Now, your home country is administrated and governed by the people without the opportunity to leave and you are on the other side of the world. I think it is extremely weird to see the people with the best opport…

What do you mean by seething? Their comment appears emotionally balanced to me. Honestly, it sounds like you want to gatekeep political discussion. Am I misunderstanding you?

>Honestly, it sounds like you want to gatekeep political discussion.

Seething about the politics of the country you left behind means you have gate kept yourself already.

Re: Bangladesh imposes curfew after dozens killed in anti-government protests

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Some context: Students are protesting to reform the quota system. Which was abolished in 2018 after protest but recently brought back again. The Quota system basically reserves 56% of public sector jobs, i.e. 30% to relatives of war veteran. The war happened in 1971. To get public job and avail the quota, it must be their 3rd or 4th generation now. Which is plain unfair. But it’s not about that, the gov loyalists and…

> Now the fascist gov has closed all internet I agree that Sheikh Hasina is extremely authoritarian and corrupt dictator but imo JeI are the actual fascists, and the BNP has absolutely been enabling them. That said, I agree with you that Hasina's authoritarianism needs to end. Ideally all these old fossils (Hasina, Zia, Rahman, etc) need to be purged and the actual youth (who are the majority of Bangladesh) get a cha…

> It's a handful of elite 70 year olds who have been running a country where the median age is 25 and are ruining it due to their own personal drama from the 70s and 80s.

Really? Are you going to totally ignore that it is those very 25+ years old that gave the current premiere of Bangladesh her massive majority? (See also https://politics.stackexchange.com/questions/88356/why-are-m... ).

> That said, I agree with you that Hasina's authoritarianism needs to end. ...

Beware of what you wish for! It's all nice and easy to harp at "undemocratic" and "authoritarianism". But understand the political context and history of Bangladesh before passing such blanket judgement. The reality of Bangladesh politics is:

1. Political violence is a fact there - Mrs. Hasina's father, a hugely popular leader, was assassinated and 18 members of her family, including her 10-year-old brother, and relatives were massacred. She had to seek refuge abroad to survive.

2. Bangladesh has also seen many military coups.

3. Some opposition parties of Bangladesh are backed by the military.

4. Some of the opposition lean towards religious fundamentalism and, as you pointed out, also associate with extremist groups.

5. Foreign powers - USA (and other western countries acting in cohort with the US), China and India - often interfere in Bangladesh's internal affairs.

(Source: https://politics.stackexchange.com/a/80654/ )

Being a young democracy, amidst such a political environment necessarily requires an authoritarian streak in a politician to survive and to nurture a secular democracy. As an indian, I genuinely admire her commitment to create a democracy in an Islamic republic that is easily prone to religious fundamentalism and sectarianism - sometimes she reminds me of Mustafa Kemal Atatürk, who did the same with Turkiye. (Remember that Bangladesh is one of the few islamic Republics that has actually committed to democratic political values).

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All that said, it is very clear that the current protests were very poorly handled and will be politically damaging to her, and could be a turning point in Bangladesh politics. Whether it will be good for Bangladesh totally depends on how her government handles these protest. Even if the matter is sub-judice, and being examined by the Bangladesh Supreme Court, the government should have engaged more deeply with the protestors and anticipated the political violence.

Re: Bangladesh imposes curfew after dozens killed in anti-government protests

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> agree that Sheikh Hasina is extremely authoritarian and corrupt dictator but imo JeI are the actual fascists The challenge of escalating partisanship is self-reïnforcing polarisation. The worse the leadership, the worse the opposition. The operant question, thus, is not who is good but who is less evil, in the hope that this ratchet, a few times turned, yields goodness.

I might be a few beers in, but I don't quite understand your thesis. Politics in developing countries is a business, not ideological. Ain't no good guys - only bad guys. Everyone's in on making enough out of the grift to emigrate to the US or the UK (just like Sheikh Hasina and her opponent Khalida Zia's children)

> Politics in developing countries is a business, not ideological.

What a joke! Imperialism flourished due to corporates being allowed to own their own private armies. The US is the best example of a country that exists for, and is run by corporates - and that happened because the older European powers clamped down on corporates, and they fled to the US.

Re: Bangladesh imposes curfew after dozens killed in anti-government protests

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Independent of points for or against their rule, the ageist argument makes little sense. 25 year olds are generally politically naive and easily manipulated. The average person in their twenties has no idea about economics, geopolitics or other such topics that are important to understand for running a country. When you look at uprisings against ancient leaders in countries with very young populations, they regularly…

GP didn't say that 25 years should become the elected leaders. But Sheikh Hasina (the current PM since 2008) was the leader of the opposition in 1986 at 39 years old [1], and then first became PM in 1996 at 49 years old. The ones who were PM from 1986 to today were all born in the 1940s [2]. Same is the case in Pakistan. Every prime minister since 1988 was born in the 40s or early 50s [3]. India's PMs have, on the ot…

Bangladesh is a democracy with free and fair elections.

If people wanted younger leaders they would have voted for them.

A revolution because you lost at the ballot box is ridiculous.

It’s not comparable to Pakistan where not a single Prime Minister has ever completed a full term and the country has been led explicitly by the military for decades and implicitly by the military for its entire existence.

Re: Bangladesh imposes curfew after dozens killed in anti-government protests

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I'd call it a US-manipulated military oligarchy with a democratic facade: https://theintercept.com/2023/06/05/imran-khan-interview/ https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2023/8/10/did-us-ask-for-imra...

You seem to have confused Pakistan for Bangladesh. Unless I'm misunderstanding your point.

Yes I have, and I apologize. Unfortunately I can no longer delete the comment :-(

Re: Bangladesh imposes curfew after dozens killed in anti-government protests

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> In South Asia, all party student wings are basically paramilitaries and gangs. Interesting- that's how it is in Nigeria, another former British colony: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confraternities_in_Nigeria Though those sound more like militarized cults, while the South Asian ones are more like student orgs of political parties that have street militias.

I don’t think the confraternities in Nigeria are the same. At least they don’t share hostel bed spaces to students and aren’t recognized by school administrations. In most Nigerian schools, you’d actually be expelled if evidence of your membership of any of these secret organizations surface.

Yeah, they’re only superficially similar in that they’re both college-based groups capable of force.

Re: Bangladesh imposes curfew after dozens killed in anti-government protests

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Is meshnet technology currently feasible/cheap enough that it could be used to work around an internet shutdown in a country with very high population density like Bangladesh?

Mesh doesn’t have the bandwidth. You would be sending a whole country over a wireless link. Multiple wireless links. Even with some special point to point links, you can’t beat fiber.

The other problem would be how to do the routing. The world sends the IP addresses to routers which are disconnected. Network is centralized so all the packets from country go to the router. Would have to VPN, which the whole country would have to install.

Re: Bangladesh imposes curfew after dozens killed in anti-government protests

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Can you elaborate?

What about it do you not know or understand about the civil unrest that occurred in America? When I googled “2020 summer of love riots” in the first results are the Wikipedia page and an article from the heritage foundation that both probably give you an idea

I didn't get the connection to the parent post: how and why it reminded you of 2020.

Re: Bangladesh imposes curfew after dozens killed in anti-government protests

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It is really odd to me that Bangladesh even exists as a nation, and that it is an officially Islamic nation. This country was formed as a result of the partition of India, where the British empire left a mess on their way out by subdividing India into what is now Pakistan, India, and Bangladesh. But really these countries should be recombined into India - their status as religious ethnostates is unacceptable in the m…

I doubt that most Indians would want to be "recombined" with Pakistan and Bangladesh. What's in it for them?

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