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Re: Bangladesh imposes curfew after dozens killed in anti-government protests

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Post by SomeoneFromCA »

csomar wrote: post #160
trompetenaccoun wrote: post #102

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Independent of points for or against their rule, the ageist argument makes little sense. 25 year olds are generally politically naive and easily manipulated. The average person in their twenties has no idea about economics, geopolitics or other such topics that are important to understand for running a country. When you look at uprisings against ancient leaders in countries with very young populations, they regularly…

I am not sure why you are being downvoted but a "youth" revolt will most certainly end up the country in a worst state than it is right now. Much more worse.

Revolutions are always made by young, are not they?

Re: Bangladesh imposes curfew after dozens killed in anti-government protests

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Post by newsclues »

AlexeyBelov wrote: post #176
newsclues wrote: post #136

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Reminds me of the summer of 2020 in America

Can you elaborate?

What about it do you not know or understand about the civil unrest that occurred in America?

When I googled “2020 summer of love riots” in the first results are the Wikipedia page and an article from the heritage foundation that both probably give you an idea

Re: Bangladesh imposes curfew after dozens killed in anti-government protests

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Post by ramon156 »

constantcrying wrote: post #170
hackerlytest wrote: post #14

Some context: Students are protesting to reform the quota system. Which was abolished in 2018 after protest but recently brought back again. The Quota system basically reserves 56% of public sector jobs, i.e. 30% to relatives of war veteran. The war happened in 1971. To get public job and avail the quota, it must be their 3rd or 4th generation now. Which is plain unfair. But it’s not about that, the gov loyalists and…

Why are you seething about this from the other side of the world? You are presumably an intelligent person, but you, and everyone else that could, left your home country for economic opportunities elsewhere. Now, your home country is administrated and governed by the people without the opportunity to leave and you are on the other side of the world. I think it is extremely weird to see the people with the best opport…

Huh? Even if he was seethings, why is caring about your family a bad thing? Is your opinion suddenly not relevant anymore when you've fled the country? Weird mindset

Re: Bangladesh imposes curfew after dozens killed in anti-government protests

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Post by trompetenaccoun »

SomeoneFromCA wrote: post #181
csomar wrote: post #160

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I am not sure why you are being downvoted but a "youth" revolt will most certainly end up the country in a worst state than it is right now. Much more worse.

Revolutions are always made by young, are not they?

Age profiles of countries are very different around the world. The median age in France is 41, in Sudan it's 18! Just think about what a median age of 18 means - half their population is even younger than that. So when you have Yellow Vests trying to shut down the government in Europe, those are a very different age group compared to Sudanese kids taking to the streets.

I think I can guess why the comment is controversial. Some may have taken it as an authoritarianism apology, which isn't the intention. It's rather a reminder that things are more complex than just rooting for what intuitively feels right, because the average Westerners has little understanding of how such countries work. Since my point is the average citizen doesn't even sufficiently understand, and surely you will agree you understand less about Bangladesh than a student who grew up there.

There are many such examples. Taking out Gaddafi has not proven to be positive for Libya. Sometimes the "old witch" is actually the lesser evil. I'm talking strictly about politics in terms of practical reality, not what we wish were true. Of course we all root for the people to win and then they live happily ever after.

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Post by fxytrain »

Apocryphon wrote: post #152
alephnerd wrote: post #59

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Slight quibble - the student paramilitary IS part of Hasina's party (BAP). It's the student wing. In South Asia, all party student wings are basically paramilitaries and gangs.

> In South Asia, all party student wings are basically paramilitaries and gangs. Interesting- that's how it is in Nigeria, another former British colony: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confraternities_in_Nigeria Though those sound more like militarized cults, while the South Asian ones are more like student orgs of political parties that have street militias.

I don’t think the confraternities in Nigeria are the same. At least they don’t share hostel bed spaces to students and aren’t recognized by school administrations. In most Nigerian schools, you’d actually be expelled if evidence of your membership of any of these secret organizations surface.

Re: Bangladesh imposes curfew after dozens killed in anti-government protests

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Post by pmarreck »

Jun8 wrote: post #103
pmarreck wrote: post #85

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from that link about the Bangladesh genocide (wow, I never heard of this): > Pakistan's imams declared Bengali Hindu women to be "war booty”;[11][12] and Pakistani fatwa were issued legitimizing Bengali Hindu women as spoils of war.[12][13] Women who were targeted often died in Pakistani captivity or committed suicide, while others fled to India. This is based on a non-contextual reading of Quran 4:24, Quran 8:69, Qu…

I’ll provide the links for the two suras cited above for the curious: An Nisa (the women) - https://quran.com/4 , https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/An-Nisa . In dowry and inheritance matters it’s actually quite advanced for its age. Al Anfal (the spoils of war) - https://quran.com/8 , https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al-Anfal . These are, of course, orthogonal to our moral values but not more depraved than bounty custom…

I understand that. It's just that many people still use these passages to the present day to justify bad behavior.

Re: Bangladesh imposes curfew after dozens killed in anti-government protests

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Post by pmarreck »

kelipso wrote: post #96
pmarreck wrote: post #80

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> The general secretary of Bangladesh Chhatra League Jahangirnagar University unit, Jasimuddin Manik and his followers celebrated the rape of 100th girls including at least 20 students of the university in 1998. Is it poverty that brings out the worst in people? Or something else?

Plenty of rich people celebrating rapes and children being bombed in Gaza, so I doubt it's poverty.

What were they up to on October 6? I wonder what could have happened that might have brought out the retributive side. Surely the broad support for terrorism pushed by Qatari money and slow-burning propaganda couldn't have further inflamed them for the umpteenth time in 3000+ years of suffering and trying to avoid abuse... /shrug

If it was really a response to Saudi Arabia on the verge of signing a peace agreement with Israel, what would that say about the unfortunate aggressors?

Re: Bangladesh imposes curfew after dozens killed in anti-government protests

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Post by constantcrying »

ramon156 wrote: post #185
constantcrying wrote: post #170

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Why are you seething about this from the other side of the world? You are presumably an intelligent person, but you, and everyone else that could, left your home country for economic opportunities elsewhere. Now, your home country is administrated and governed by the people without the opportunity to leave and you are on the other side of the world. I think it is extremely weird to see the people with the best opport…

Huh? Even if he was seethings, why is caring about your family a bad thing? Is your opinion suddenly not relevant anymore when you've fled the country? Weird mindset

>Is your opinion suddenly not relevant anymore when you've fled the country?

Again and again the most intelligent people emigrate to the West and then seethe about the politics in their home country. I get why they do it, but it is really obnoxious. One main reason why developing countries have bad politics, is because everyone intelligent is leaving for the west and the same people who, for their own economic interest have left, are then agitating from the other side of the world for political change.

In some real way, leaving your home country also means leaving behind the ability to change anything about it.

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