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Bangladesh imposes curfew after dozens killed in anti-government protests

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Re: Bangladesh imposes curfew after dozens killed in anti-government protests

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Post by rldjbpin »

thoughts and prayers to those caught up in this and i hope for a peaceful resolution.

this should ring alarm bells for the other south asian neighbours who shared similar colonialism past.

socialist policies for the marginalized several decades ago seems to always bite back when leaders don't bring out more opportunities and instead play with the politics of handing out favourable access.

if some of these countries dream to call themselves developed in the future, they need to introspect whether you would need quotas and reservations after achieving it.

Re: Bangladesh imposes curfew after dozens killed in anti-government protests

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Post by dash2 »

esafak wrote: post #3
jamal-kumar wrote: post #2

I think it's worth noting why this is happening. The country has been giving out degrees and jobs to people who instead of working and studying hard, to descendants of veterans in the country's war against pakistan, and this level of nepotism has been going on since the 70s which as you can easily imagine is not great for those who see the value in getting these "basic livelihood for hard work" things. So when people…

People who run a country into the ground are happy to maintain the status quo as long as they're getting their share? Who knew!?

Yeah, this is really far from accurate, which is absolutely not to justify Sheikh Hasina's antics. GDP has shot up in the 21st century and the trend growth appears to be accelerating. Bangladesh was a very poor country, but it is getting rich fast. https://www.imf.org/external/datamapper/NGDP_RPCH@WEO/BGD?zo... https://www.noahpinion.blog/p/bangladesh-is-the-new-asian-ti...

Re: Bangladesh imposes curfew after dozens killed in anti-government protests

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Post by Willian03 »

xeromal wrote: post #44
hackerlytest wrote: post #14

Some context: Students are protesting to reform the quota system. Which was abolished in 2018 after protest but recently brought back again. The Quota system basically reserves 56% of public sector jobs, i.e. 30% to relatives of war veteran. The war happened in 1971. To get public job and avail the quota, it must be their 3rd or 4th generation now. Which is plain unfair. But it’s not about that, the gov loyalists and…

Thank you for the information. I'm sorry for you and your family. Are public jobs so numerous that a lot of people survive off of them?

At 140,000 square kilometres, Bangladesh is about the size of New York State, with 170 million people. Problems are inevitable, there are not so many job opportunities at all, and there will always be people who are dissatisfied

Re: Bangladesh imposes curfew after dozens killed in anti-government protests

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Post by Rinzler89 »

ridiculous_leke wrote: post #134
TulliusCicero wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Ideally protests should be peaceful. Other people in the thread are saying that Bangladesh is a dictatorship, and security forces are killing people for protesting. Just to be clear, if that's the case, violence against the state is entirely justified. There is nothing morally wrong about rebelling against autocracy, in fact, it's quite a good thing.

> Just to be clear, if that's the case, violence against the state is entirely justified. There is nothing morally wrong about rebelling against autocracy, in fact, it's quite a good thing. Only if you have evidence against the state. Otherwise the state (which always has more resources) is going to take it to the next level.

Even if you have evidence against the state, do you think all those in power will just step down peacefully without a fight? No, they'll still send the military and law enforcement out to bash your skull in or arest you.

Re: Bangladesh imposes curfew after dozens killed in anti-government protests

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Post by AlexeyBelov »

constantcrying wrote: post #170
hackerlytest wrote: post #14

Some context: Students are protesting to reform the quota system. Which was abolished in 2018 after protest but recently brought back again. The Quota system basically reserves 56% of public sector jobs, i.e. 30% to relatives of war veteran. The war happened in 1971. To get public job and avail the quota, it must be their 3rd or 4th generation now. Which is plain unfair. But it’s not about that, the gov loyalists and…

Why are you seething about this from the other side of the world? You are presumably an intelligent person, but you, and everyone else that could, left your home country for economic opportunities elsewhere. Now, your home country is administrated and governed by the people without the opportunity to leave and you are on the other side of the world. I think it is extremely weird to see the people with the best opport…

What do you mean by seething? Their comment appears emotionally balanced to me.

Honestly, it sounds like you want to gatekeep political discussion. Am I misunderstanding you?

Re: Bangladesh imposes curfew after dozens killed in anti-government protests

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Post by AlexeyBelov »

newsclues wrote: post #136
david_shi wrote: post #109

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It reminds me a lot of the Red Guards - the greatest disaster could come from the party losing control of these groups.

Reminds me of the summer of 2020 in America

Can you elaborate?

Re: Bangladesh imposes curfew after dozens killed in anti-government protests

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Post by AlexeyBelov »

__green_pixel__ wrote: post #62
Foofoobar12345 wrote: post #36

A friend of mine who works in a startup in Bangladesh tells me that critical infrastructure is being set on fire indiscriminately. Buildings such as data centers. He shared videos of many such burning buildings. The country doesn’t yet have resilient infrastructure. For example, internet and telecommunication go through a single point of failure. Last year, that building was accidentally set on fire and it led to 2 w…

The protest WAS peaceful until one protester was killed by the Police for no reason. Not sure how you are blaming the massive countrywide internet outage on the protesters. It was literally announced by the government that they were shutting everything down to control the movement.

> The protest WAS peaceful until one protester was killed by the Police for no reason.

I'm inclined to believe it, but let's be honest: protesters always say that. From their point of view that's how it always is and they are never in the wrong. Statistically it's very unlikely.

Re: Bangladesh imposes curfew after dozens killed in anti-government protests

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Post by im3w1l »

TyrianPurple wrote: post #22

When governments do such things, expect bad results. The protesters' demands aren't unreasonable at all. Just be meritocratic in civil service appointments.

It's not so obvious to me. I think it's easy for a rich country to just "solve" security by throwing money at fancy gear, but these poor countries they must have some way of incentivizing people to die helplessly in a ditch. Handing out privileges to relatives is one such way.

There is some similarity to the system of nobility. Although this seems to give lesser privileges but to more people compared to that.

Now what these protests reveal is that similar to the warriors of the past, these protestors are willing to risk death for these privileges. This suggests a pragmatic solution, that instead of abolishing the privilege, they could offer a path for these protestors to also be granted it. This could redirect their youthful energy and ambition into more useful avenues.

Re: Bangladesh imposes curfew after dozens killed in anti-government protests

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Post by amanaplanacanal »

jtbayly wrote: post #132
jamal-kumar wrote: post #2

I think it's worth noting why this is happening. The country has been giving out degrees and jobs to people who instead of working and studying hard, to descendants of veterans in the country's war against pakistan, and this level of nepotism has been going on since the 70s which as you can easily imagine is not great for those who see the value in getting these "basic livelihood for hard work" things. So when people…

Talking about why it is happening is helpful. I’m just surprised nobody is talking about the reason the government claims it has limited access to information: preventing disinformation. Not a single person here has commented about disinformation, but it is the single most applicable part of this article for Americans. Preventing the spread of disinformation has been the supposed in the last decade reason for the lar…

Which nation are you from?
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