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Show HN: Sendune – open-source HTML email designer

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Re: Show HN: Sendune – open-source HTML email designer

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Post by SoftTalker »

The entire premise is absurd.

I will grant that many people want rich text, formatted emails with images and logos. I don't want that but understand the wants and needs are different for others.

For gods sake why HTML? A fairly simple markup language (Markdown, orgmode, etc) would have sufficed, would have eliminated the need for separate plain and html versions of every email, been far more accessible to screen-readers and other assistive devices, been far less privacy-invading, and been far less vulerable to security problems.

But no, the answer was "let's put a full-blown web browser in every email client"

I know the horses have left the gate.

Re: Show HN: Sendune – open-source HTML email designer

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Post by grepfru_it »

SoftTalker wrote: post #71

The entire premise is absurd. I will grant that many people want rich text, formatted emails with images and logos. I don't want that but understand the wants and needs are different for others. For gods sake why HTML? A fairly simple markup language (Markdown, orgmode, etc) would have sufficed, would have eliminated the need for separate plain and html versions of every email, been far more accessible to screen-read…

Because at the time web browsers were taking off and web based mail services (Hotmail yahoo etc) were taking off. Back in that time the alternative to html was Tex.

Why do we still boot to 16-bit protected mode to launch any OS on x64? shrug but you are welcome to move that mountain :)

Re: Show HN: Sendune – open-source HTML email designer

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Post by shortformblog »

SoftTalker wrote: post #71

The entire premise is absurd. I will grant that many people want rich text, formatted emails with images and logos. I don't want that but understand the wants and needs are different for others. For gods sake why HTML? A fairly simple markup language (Markdown, orgmode, etc) would have sufficed, would have eliminated the need for separate plain and html versions of every email, been far more accessible to screen-read…

I just want one thread about HTML email to not be a re-litigation of this point. It’s been around for a quarter-century at this point. It’s well-established. It has plenty of warts, but it’s not going away.

There are better ways to push the ball forward than this recurrent frustration over something that is so broadly used. A key one would be to improve support for making divs display properly in HTML emails, so the format could be more accessible, for example, as well as to look into ways to push corporations away from outdated email clients. Finally, a way to sandbox emails to help minimize concerns around risky designs would be ideal.

AMP is a dirty word around these parts, but Google’s AMP for Email did some of these things.

I don’t know what that would look like, but there has to be a better way to expel our energy than just being frustrated about something that’s unlikely to change.

Re: Show HN: Sendune – open-source HTML email designer

#76

Post by guhcampos »

rmbyrro wrote: post #5

I have the personal impression that it would be a net positive if all emails were written as text. Ok, in some cases I see why html would make some sense. In those cases, my opinion is: send text and invite the person to view markup content in their browser. The e-mail context is not suitable for markup, styling, and all this stuff.

You're being nice.

I plain cringed when I saw the headline. This sounded like a tool designed by some evil entity to bring destruction upon the World.

Re: Show HN: Sendune – open-source HTML email designer

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Post by skull723 »

guhcampos wrote: post #76
rmbyrro wrote: post #5

I have the personal impression that it would be a net positive if all emails were written as text. Ok, in some cases I see why html would make some sense. In those cases, my opinion is: send text and invite the person to view markup content in their browser. The e-mail context is not suitable for markup, styling, and all this stuff.

You're being nice. I plain cringed when I saw the headline. This sounded like a tool designed by some evil entity to bring destruction upon the World.

Yeah, the headline alone made me angry. I'm glad I'm not the only one.

Re: Show HN: Sendune – open-source HTML email designer

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Post by skull723 »

conradolandia wrote: post #18
ibdf wrote: post #10

I was writing them email templates 15 years ago... oh... look we are still using tables. How has email markup not evolved?

Email clients and servers have not evolved

though Exchange certainly did mutate like stillbirths at Chernobyl.
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