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Re: Bangladesh imposes curfew after dozens killed in anti-government protests

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Post by dotancohen »

hackerlytest wrote: post #14

Some context: Students are protesting to reform the quota system. Which was abolished in 2018 after protest but recently brought back again. The Quota system basically reserves 56% of public sector jobs, i.e. 30% to relatives of war veteran. The war happened in 1971. To get public job and avail the quota, it must be their 3rd or 4th generation now. Which is plain unfair. But it’s not about that, the gov loyalists and…

  > But our fascist gov and their goons used force and killed 50+ unarmed students until yesterday (3 from my alma mater alone.)
Is this what those students with the colored flags have been protesting about in US universities for the past half year or so?

Re: Bangladesh imposes curfew after dozens killed in anti-government protests

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Post by trompetenaccoun »

alephnerd wrote: post #54
hackerlytest wrote: post #14

Some context: Students are protesting to reform the quota system. Which was abolished in 2018 after protest but recently brought back again. The Quota system basically reserves 56% of public sector jobs, i.e. 30% to relatives of war veteran. The war happened in 1971. To get public job and avail the quota, it must be their 3rd or 4th generation now. Which is plain unfair. But it’s not about that, the gov loyalists and…

> Now the fascist gov has closed all internet I agree that Sheikh Hasina is extremely authoritarian and corrupt dictator but imo JeI are the actual fascists, and the BNP has absolutely been enabling them. That said, I agree with you that Hasina's authoritarianism needs to end. Ideally all these old fossils (Hasina, Zia, Rahman, etc) need to be purged and the actual youth (who are the majority of Bangladesh) get a cha…

Independent of points for or against their rule, the ageist argument makes little sense. 25 year olds are generally politically naive and easily manipulated. The average person in their twenties has no idea about economics, geopolitics or other such topics that are important to understand for running a country. When you look at uprisings against ancient leaders in countries with very young populations, they regularly end up even worse then before, sadly. Take Sudan as an example.

Re: Bangladesh imposes curfew after dozens killed in anti-government protests

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Post by Jun8 »

pmarreck wrote: post #85
mtalantikite wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Important to note it wasn't just a 'war against Pakistan', but a war for independence from Pakistan [1], which also included a genocide against Bengalis by Pakistan and their allies [2]. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bangladesh_Liberation_War [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bangladesh_genocide

from that link about the Bangladesh genocide (wow, I never heard of this): > Pakistan's imams declared Bengali Hindu women to be "war booty”;[11][12] and Pakistani fatwa were issued legitimizing Bengali Hindu women as spoils of war.[12][13] Women who were targeted often died in Pakistani captivity or committed suicide, while others fled to India. This is based on a non-contextual reading of Quran 4:24, Quran 8:69, Qu…

I’ll provide the links for the two suras cited above for the curious:

An Nisa (the women) - https://quran.com/4, https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/An-Nisa. In dowry and inheritance matters it’s actually quite advanced for its age.

Al Anfal (the spoils of war) - https://quran.com/8, https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al-Anfal. These are, of course, orthogonal to our moral values but not more depraved than bounty customs employed hundreds of years afterwards.

Prophet Mohammed himself took one fifth of the spoils, including taking women as wives, eg see Safiyya bint Huyayy, who was his tenth wife after her tribe was killed (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Safiyya_bint_Huyayy).

I’m missing your point about adhering to these “when it’s convenient”. This was standard practice for Muslim armies for hundreds of years afterwards (of course others did the same).

Re: Bangladesh imposes curfew after dozens killed in anti-government protests

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Post by adolph »

esafak wrote: post #3
jamal-kumar wrote: post #2

I think it's worth noting why this is happening. The country has been giving out degrees and jobs to people who instead of working and studying hard, to descendants of veterans in the country's war against pakistan, and this level of nepotism has been going on since the 70s which as you can easily imagine is not great for those who see the value in getting these "basic livelihood for hard work" things. So when people…

People who run a country into the ground are happy to maintain the status quo as long as they're getting their share? Who knew!?

Conjecture: there is no exit from despotry because more than deriving happiness from the current state, the despot fears dissolution. A counter-example might be post apartheid South Africa or Idi Amin’s exile, but there are sufficient examples of worse personal and family outcomes to rule out simple projections of psychopaths.

Re: Bangladesh imposes curfew after dozens killed in anti-government protests

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Post by pvarangot »

arrowsmith wrote: post #23
chad1n wrote: post #12

I've talked with a guy from Bangladesh over the last 3 days and he said that he was at a party and he was about to be killed, so he stopped going and started filming how other students are being beaten by local police. The fact that the government blocked the internet is pretty sad and I wish that no more people die.

> he was at a party and he was about to be killed I feel like your story is really missing some details.

I mean, those are the best parties

Re: Bangladesh imposes curfew after dozens killed in anti-government protests

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Post by 0x1ch »

dotancohen wrote: post #101
hackerlytest wrote: post #14

Some context: Students are protesting to reform the quota system. Which was abolished in 2018 after protest but recently brought back again. The Quota system basically reserves 56% of public sector jobs, i.e. 30% to relatives of war veteran. The war happened in 1971. To get public job and avail the quota, it must be their 3rd or 4th generation now. Which is plain unfair. But it’s not about that, the gov loyalists and…

> But our fascist gov and their goons used force and killed 50+ unarmed students until yesterday (3 from my alma mater alone.) Is this what those students with the colored flags have been protesting about in US universities for the past half year or so?

Not sure if you're a troll or not, but that would be related to Israel and Palestine.

Re: Bangladesh imposes curfew after dozens killed in anti-government protests

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Post by tcptomato »

alephnerd wrote: post #60
Rinzler89 wrote: post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sure. In Romania, a lot of public sector jobs (the easy, influential or well paying ones) are given out only via nepotism and political connections, usually to descendants and connections of the former communist party high-ups and former members of the military/intelligence services who now own and run lucrative businesses (monopolies for the state) and their kids are usually in charge of the business or in politics…

Not to be that guy but Romania isn't "first world" (yet). It's still very much developing imo.

"First world" doesn't mean developed, it means aligned with the US.

Re: Bangladesh imposes curfew after dozens killed in anti-government protests

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Post by trompetenaccoun »

jheidemann wrote: post #49
fragmede wrote: post #28

looking at https://outage.ant.isi.edu/ it seems Europe is having a bad day too

In https://outage.ant.isi.edu , one should look at the circle colors , not just sizes. Circle colors indicate the fraction of networks (technically: /24 IPv4 newtork prefixes) that are down, and in Bangladesh, the hard red means nearly 100% are unreachable. While Europe has many circles and therefore some networks are down, because they are blue that means it's only a few that are unreachable. Europe has many, many n…

What's the explanation for what's going on in Europe though? Is that the regular state of their network?

Re: Bangladesh imposes curfew after dozens killed in anti-government protests

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Post by david_shi »

alephnerd wrote: post #59
david_shi wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bangladesh_Chhatra_League The ruling party seems to be allied with a student paramilitary to help act as their enforcers. "Chhatra League distributes dormitory seats at Chittagong University instead of authorities. Only those who join Chhatra League after being enrolled, get the chance to stay in the residential halls."

Slight quibble - the student paramilitary IS part of Hasina's party (BAP). It's the student wing. In South Asia, all party student wings are basically paramilitaries and gangs.

It reminds me a lot of the Red Guards - the greatest disaster could come from the party losing control of these groups.

Re: Bangladesh imposes curfew after dozens killed in anti-government protests

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Post by trilbyglens »

jamal-kumar wrote: post #2

I think it's worth noting why this is happening. The country has been giving out degrees and jobs to people who instead of working and studying hard, to descendants of veterans in the country's war against pakistan, and this level of nepotism has been going on since the 70s which as you can easily imagine is not great for those who see the value in getting these "basic livelihood for hard work" things. So when people…

Country probably entirely underwater in the next 50 years anyways....
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