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Re: Pornhub Pulls Out of Nebraska

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Post by salawat »

anon291 wrote: post #56
Atotalnoob wrote: post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What happened to privacy? Now the government knows all about my shopping habits…

At what point of my proposal did the government keep track of shopping habits. The government issues cards to stores; kind of like transit cards at grocery stores. In my city of Portland, if you want a youth transit card you have to show proof you're a kid. Or if you want a senior one, proof you're over 65. Still, the government doesn't actually know who you are. It's just a number. The number is similarly hidden unt…

....Store keeps track of proof of id, probably don't randomize the cards going out. Associate the two identifiers... Instant tracking association.

Once the capability to do so is acailable, it will be used. No exceptions.

Re: Pornhub Pulls Out of Nebraska

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Post by trealira »

halJordan wrote: post #35
doggero wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Or, just choose not to consume online pornography if you don't want to share your identity documents with a verification service. It really is that simple.

I definitely was not aware America was a country where i need to be permitted my actions and otherwise kept on a registry of who's allowed to do what.

In every state, it's illegal to sell or supply alcohol to minors, and it's illegal to drive without a license, which can't be accessed by teenagers younger than 16. It seems analogous to require age verification for porn.

Re: Pornhub Pulls Out of Nebraska

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Post by smegger001 »

ideasp wrote: post #69
gambiting wrote: post #36

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>>Anyone with any decent of ethics would refrain from consuming this material. What, like....all porn? There are plenty of amateur couples who upload incredibly tender, loving and respectful videos of their love life to PH. Why are you bundling everything together with the exploitative stuff?

Just looking at the front page of Pornhub right now: "Stepmother and son share a bed in a hotel" "Fake taxi Bengali nurse takes a big cock in her tight Asian pussy" "Petite blonde whore opening her ass for me to demolish" You want children watching this?

No but I as a parent have the responsibility to monitor and decide what my children see and don't not the state. freedom of expression is a guaranteed right and onerous laws like this are just a end-run around anti-censorship laws just as much as the think of the children claim is a end-run around rational thought.

Re: Pornhub Pulls Out of Nebraska

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Post by bastawhiz »

gorgoiler wrote: post #61

What is the gold standard for age verification online? Is there one? I could take my ID to the library / police station, have it verified, and then get given a USB stick with 16GB’s worth of signed government tokens from a big bucket of unmarked hardware. I guess a bad site could still narrow down who I am to my nearest library / police station though. Proof-of-age tokens that aren’t tied to my ID have the downside t…

Scans of driver's license or passport with a selfie liveness check. That's the best that can be done right now.

Re: Pornhub Pulls Out of Nebraska

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Post by nhumrich »

halJordan wrote: post #35
doggero wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Or, just choose not to consume online pornography if you don't want to share your identity documents with a verification service. It really is that simple.

I definitely was not aware America was a country where i need to be permitted my actions and otherwise kept on a registry of who's allowed to do what.

That's how alcohol works. It's how cigarettes work. It's even how prescription medicine works.

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Post by bitshiftfaced »

Dig1t wrote: post #32
ta1243 wrote: post #7

And will be about as effective at prevention

According to Planned Parenthood pulling out is 88% effective. Which is actually not too bad in my opinion :) https://www.plannedparenthood.org/learn/birth-control/withdr...

The website says 78% of people will avoid pregnancy in the scope of one year. Over the course of three years, you will more likely than not have an unplanned pregnancy.

Re: Pornhub Pulls Out of Nebraska

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Post by gorgoiler »

bastawhiz wrote: post #84
gorgoiler wrote: post #61

What is the gold standard for age verification online? Is there one? I could take my ID to the library / police station, have it verified, and then get given a USB stick with 16GB’s worth of signed government tokens from a big bucket of unmarked hardware. I guess a bad site could still narrow down who I am to my nearest library / police station though. Proof-of-age tokens that aren’t tied to my ID have the downside t…

Scans of driver's license or passport with a selfie liveness check. That's the best that can be done right now.

ID has traditionally had a copy of what you look like embedded into the surface, but wouldn’t it be nice to have an ID that encoded what you sound like? If certain characteristics of my voice could be narrowed down to a QR code I’d feel a lot more comfortable identifying myself with a mic instead of a camera.

You could combine that with only one side of the ID showing the QR code and a some proof of age and keeping my actual name to the other side, hidden from the camera.

Have me say a random number, see if it matches the QR code for “en_US, male, tenor, southern French accent” to prove it’s me, here, and alive?

Re: Pornhub Pulls Out of Nebraska

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Post by slowmovintarget »

havblue wrote: post #4

"Nebraska Legislative Bill 1092 went into effect on Friday making it a requirement for sites that show adult content to verify the age of users. This usually means some form of identification needs to be uploaded to the site to confirm the person using the site is 18 or over. " Yeah, just upload your driver's licence to every sketchy site you browse to. What could go wrong? I'm much more in favor of Leisure Suit Larr…

"Who was the best Canadian lyricist of all time?"

{doesn't answer "Gordon Lightfoot"}

"Sorry, here's a Youtube link you should watch..."

Re: Pornhub Pulls Out of Nebraska

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Post by HDThoreaun »

ideasp wrote: post #60
HDThoreaun wrote: post #53

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The issue with your idea, other than the obvious free speech stuff, is that it is not possible to stop offshore sites from posting content without an age verification. All this would do is move everyone from onshore sites like pornhub to offshore sites that have zero regulation at all. You dont see how that is worse than the status quo?

There are plenty of solutions for that already in place. Child sex abuse sites get blocked, for example. Even forums like Kiwi Farms have carriers blackholing them. No reason why this can't be similarly enforced for porn sites that skirt the age verification rules.

> Child sex abuse sites get blocke

Because every society in the world agrees it is unacceptable and works with foreign police to shut down the operators. The same would not be true for normal porn sites that are ignoring a foreign age law. Russian police wont do shit to shut down adult porn sites.

So now youre talking about ISP level ip blocking, but that will just lead to widespread VPN and tor usage. Are we going to ban VPNs and tor too?

Re: Pornhub Pulls Out of Nebraska

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Post by simoncion »

haunter wrote: post #74
EnergyAmy wrote: post #67

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What internet sites are required to do age verification beyond clicking a "Yes, I'm of age button"?

Pretty much anything involved with money needs not just age but in most cases identity verification too. Online banking, online gambling, online trading etc.

> Pretty much anything involved with money needs not just age but in most cases identity verification too.

"Pretty much anything", you say?

I've never had to provide proof of age, let alone identity to purchase things over the Internet. A credit card and related address were all that was required. (What weirdo jurisdiction do you live in where you have to provide ID to order from `newegg.com` or your local instance of a big chain grocery store?)

Hell, this was the case like fifteen, twenty years ago when I had subscriptions for several of the larger porn sites. "Give me your credit card number and assert that you're of legal age in your jurisdiction." were the sole pair of requirements.

> Online banking... online trading

This is a result of "anti-money-laundering" (aka "KYC") banking regulations and has nothing to do with being online transactions, rather than in-person. Long ago, it used to be that you could show up with a sufficiently large wad of cash and get a checking account opened, no question.

> ...online gambling...

Given the enormous set of online transactions I can do without providing proof of ID or age (like, suchas getting alcohol and tobacco delivered to my door) this is clearly the exceptional case, and the one that relevant politicos are using to act as a basis for the ongoing campaign of Erasing Sin from The Internet (and massively empowering authoritarians in the process). (The fact that the overlap between the politicos agitating for these regulations, and the politicos who are massively authoritarian is very, very large usually goes unremarked in the press.)

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