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He created Oculus headsets as a teenager, now he makes AI weapons for Ukraine

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Re: He created Oculus headsets as a teenager, now he makes AI weapons for Ukraine

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(American here) I don't know anything about Palmer Luckey or Anduril, but I do believe in a strong national defense. As an individual, I can do approximately zero to stop weapons from being used for offense, rather than defense. That is wildly unfortunate and tragic, but (false dichotomy incoming) I would choose that path for my country 100% of the time over being under-armed. "The strong do what they will while the…

Sadly, I (not American) have to agree.

I am a pacifist at heart, and I truly wish it wasn’t so, but it is impossible for any nation that believes in its continued existence [0] not to arm itself and maintain alliances with other like minded nations (including, regrettably, nuclear arms).

I agree with the sentiment around demilitarisation, too. If everyone started getting rid of weapons there would, in many ways and for much of the time be less war and suffering. It feels right, compassionate, and empathetic. It’s what I would want. But it’s wrong.

It only takes one national collapse, one coup, one crackpot dictator, one rogue leader to upend that and walk all over everyone. And we have far more than one, both nascent and incipient, at this point.

This used to be somewhat untested in modern times, making it easier for loud anti-defence voices to be heard and acted on. But Ukraine is living that reality every day and Russia is far from the only would be aggressor.

So yes, we need to build capable militaries and strong alliances, and we need work to promote a more stable world outside those alliances.

At the same time we need to try, as hard as possible, to use our democratic power to prevent our nations and their allies overreaching with their military power, given that they must not surrender it.

But the idea that any subset of nations can choose peace by not having weapons in anything like the world we inhabit is, unfortunately, dangerous wishful thinking.

[0] Every nation believes this, regardless of its truth. We can (and should) evaluate the legitimacy and stability of a nation, alongside its governance when forming alliance, but all will rationalise their own existence (however poorly) and therefore their defence.

Re: He created Oculus headsets as a teenager, now he makes AI weapons for Ukraine

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post #90

(American here) I don't know anything about Palmer Luckey or Anduril, but I do believe in a strong national defense. As an individual, I can do approximately zero to stop weapons from being used for offense, rather than defense. That is wildly unfortunate and tragic, but (false dichotomy incoming) I would choose that path for my country 100% of the time over being under-armed. "The strong do what they will while the…

If it was really all about non-lethal defense, weapons would look a lot different, and many current weapons would simply be banned, with anyone owning or employing such weapons getting forced -- by non-lethal force -- to give them up.

Non-lethal defence does not seem possible at our current technology level.

Keeping it about defence only rather than offense is a political problem, with the decision about what sort of weapons you acquire being influenced by the politics, not driving it.

Re: He created Oculus headsets as a teenager, now he makes AI weapons for Ukraine

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Ah, the glorious peace of Vietnam and Iraq. I can’t wait for us to be “protected” by more unhinged violence against some far-off nation.

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I love the satire!

Re: He created Oculus headsets as a teenager, now he makes AI weapons for Ukraine

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Many (most? all?) nation-states have compulsory service, either triggered in a "draft" or always ongoing (e.g. all young people serve in some way after high school). So no, I don't believe that you as an individual have the right to not work with your nation's national security apparatus, regardless of where you reside. You may think this is only for young people but I think that's just been typical practice/need, no…

> Many (most? all?) nation-states have compulsory service "The following 113 countries and territories have been identified as having no enforced conscription" "The following fifteen countries have been identified as having a civilian, unarmed or non-combatant service optional alternative to compulsory military service" "The following 19 countries have been identified as having no defense forces or as having no stand…

... no compulsory service until the bombs start dropping.

Re: He created Oculus headsets as a teenager, now he makes AI weapons for Ukraine

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When you consider the extent of regulatory capture in the defense industry, the degree to which prime contractors have come to overspecialize in regulatory compliance and lobbying, and the nigh insurmountable barriers to entry for new firms -- you might reconsider. Before Anduril was established, nobody was certain whether a company like that could even exist. A company, focused on defense projects, that doesn't just…

The fact that a company selling the most unethical ideas ever: unmanned, automated killing machines, is "winning" is the scariest thing ever. There is nothing heroic in selling weapons.

In centuries past, armored knights considered crossbows and early firearms unethical and unsporting. That didn't stop the armies of the time from employing them -- and warfare adapted, as it always does.

Today, all major powers are experimenting with, or already utilizing, "unmanned, automated killing machines" -- in addition to AI for C4I and other purposes. A responsible Department of Defense has literally no choice but to keep pace, and it would be the height of irresponsibility not to attempt to outrun its competitors. They don't have the luxury of closing their eyes and pretending that the world is at peace and that swords must now become ploughshares -- they have to take the world as it really is, not as they might hope it is.

The bottom line is simply this: The desire of peace-loving people to spare the world from militarism and war must include a commitment to maintain a strong and capable defense.

Besides, military procurement in the USA is slow as molasses, captured by lobbyists and a clique of prime contractors, and red-tape laden to a degree that people working in the tech sector can hardly comprehend. Anduril, in its way, is working to fix that extremely serious problem.

Re: He created Oculus headsets as a teenager, now he makes AI weapons for Ukraine

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One more comment: >"And the companies that did have expertise, like Google, like Facebook, like Apple, were refusing to work with the U.S. national security community." Idk if this is true. I suspect they--at a minimum--cooperate with the "soft" side of the defense industry (e.g. NSA). However, if they don't, I think there will come a time when we will have to bring them to heel. The world won't have the luxury of su…

Contrary to that viewpoint I think there is much to be said for separating peaceful non military companies from military ones. Some reasons: Google FB etc are inherently global. Military is inherently regional. Mixing military and civilian tends to cause messes. See Boeing doing military stuff and now their planes and ISS shuttles don't work. Also so Cheney transferring the military biodefense budget to Fauci and the…

> See Boeing doing military stuff and now their planes and ISS shuttles don't work.

Explain please. How does one lead to the other?

> Also so Cheney transferring the military biodefense budget to Fauci and the NIH and now we have lab leaks and covid

That’s a bold claim.

Re: He created Oculus headsets as a teenager, now he makes AI weapons for Ukraine

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Wasn't around back then, can't say for sure.

Perhaps you should study history. So far the 21st century looks on average to be less terrifying than any previous century.

Do me a favor and explain why you think that's a contradiction.

Re: He created Oculus headsets as a teenager, now he makes AI weapons for Ukraine

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One more comment: >"And the companies that did have expertise, like Google, like Facebook, like Apple, were refusing to work with the U.S. national security community." Idk if this is true. I suspect they--at a minimum--cooperate with the "soft" side of the defense industry (e.g. NSA). However, if they don't, I think there will come a time when we will have to bring them to heel. The world won't have the luxury of su…

There was a period of time where employees of companies like Amazon, Microsoft, and Google were protesting in order to prevent their companies from taking military contracts.

That seems to have mostly died down and all of those companies have contracts with the DoD.

Ultimately, I agree with your sentiment. Alibaba can't tell China no. And while US corporations have that freedom. It isn't one they should exercise because the US military's ability to remain competitive is in the vital interest of all that live in the US. Even if you don't always agree with the government's use of the military.

Re: He created Oculus headsets as a teenager, now he makes AI weapons for Ukraine

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post #98

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Contrary to that viewpoint I think there is much to be said for separating peaceful non military companies from military ones. Some reasons: Google FB etc are inherently global. Military is inherently regional. Mixing military and civilian tends to cause messes. See Boeing doing military stuff and now their planes and ISS shuttles don't work. Also so Cheney transferring the military biodefense budget to Fauci and the…

> See Boeing doing military stuff and now their planes and ISS shuttles don't work. Explain please. How does one lead to the other? > Also so Cheney transferring the military biodefense budget to Fauci and the NIH and now we have lab leaks and covid That’s a bold claim.

I'm not quite sure with Boeing but they have different economic structures.
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