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"Android ICS already offers more than what is coming in iOS 6"

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Re: "Android ICS already offers more than what is coming in iOS 6"

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Post by mark_integerdsv »

There is an advert for Steers (a hamburger take away franchise here in South Africa, their burgers are delicious!) that came out around about the same time that McDonalds came to the country. It depicts one guy unpacking a stack of tiny burgers onto the table, bragging to his buddy about how little he paid for all these tiny cheeseburgers (getting the picture?)

His buddy opens up a Steers bag, pulls out one great big Steer Burger, looks over to the other guy just before biting into it and says: "That's great, but now you have to eat them."

The point of the advert is clear, I think mine is too.

Re: "Android ICS already offers more than what is coming in iOS 6"

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Post by DeepDuh »

megablast wrote: post #38
DeepDuh wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"Oh, so your 10.4 has indexed search and Expose? Well look at what my pimped XP can do.." "So you have hardware accelerated video filters? Well look at what I can fetch, hack and compile my Gentoo into.." I'm not saying Android is bad, but this znet post is just stupid, sorry. Apple has never really been a big inventor of new technologies (apart from industrial design), but integrating existing ideas as good as possi…

> Apple has never really been a big inventor of new technologies Personally, I consider the iPad and iPhone way more than just industrial design.

Integrating, assembling and perfecting existing technologies and ideas is what they are. Interface demos with similar or identical gestures existed before. Capacitive touch screens existed before. These two devices have been big leaps, yes, but I don't see why it contradicts my point. My point was: Stop justifying your favourite products vs. my favourite product by saying stuff like "but it can do that too, your stuff is so unoriginal, duh!" /Louis C.K. voice off. Just fucking choose and live with it - or change it.

Re: "Android ICS already offers more than what is coming in iOS 6"

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Post by cageface »

doron wrote: post #3

ICS ecosystem is almost vaporware, it is supposed to be the best release yet, but i actually never saw it. Maybe its the best thing since sliced bread, but if nobody uses it, what exactly is the point?! Your chances of getting ICS on your legacy device are virtually zero. whereas getting IOS 6 on the iphone 4S is assured. [EDIT] I have been an android user since it was essentially released, and have only recently swi…

Your chances of getting ICS on your legacy device are virtually zero. whereas getting IOS 6 on the iphone 4S is assured.

Yes, but how important is this really in practice? With both platforms approaching maturity deploying major OS updates OTA is going to be less important.

Google can ride the natural device upgrade cycle to get out new versions. If they can make the browser and email client and a few other key apps independent of the OS they can rev those a lot faster. No doubt they'd like to have Apple's upgrade muscle but I'm not convinced they really need it in the long term.

Re: "Android ICS already offers more than what is coming in iOS 6"

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Post by abruzzi »

This is the old bullet-list fallacy. Quality is simply a measure of the bullet list of features, and no attempt is made to what is behind the items on the bullet list. Remember when the first iPhone was announced? The bullet list after it was announced had touchscreen at the top of the list, so every manufacturer thought that all they had to do was add a touch screen to their existing platform, and hordes of just like the "LG ENV Touch" flooded carriers. Feature phones had small app stores where you could buy a dozen useless apps, so they beat the iPhone on that bullet item.

Re: "Android ICS already offers more than what is coming in iOS 6"

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Post by rbanffy »

th0ma5 wrote: post #19

It is weird to see the public discussion about ICS being one about dismay and vendors holding the platform back, but with those of us who took the time to research, hack, and even program for Android, I've enjoyed more control and flexibility than even a jailbroken iPhone could give me. So, on one hand, I completely agree with all of the negative press about the droid platform, but on the other hand, I couldn't be ha…

Same here. I won't buy an Android device before making sure it can be easily rooted and that it runs a custom build I like.

Re: "Android ICS already offers more than what is coming in iOS 6"

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Post by SkyMarshal »

doron wrote: post #3

ICS ecosystem is almost vaporware, it is supposed to be the best release yet, but i actually never saw it. Maybe its the best thing since sliced bread, but if nobody uses it, what exactly is the point?! Your chances of getting ICS on your legacy device are virtually zero. whereas getting IOS 6 on the iphone 4S is assured. [EDIT] I have been an android user since it was essentially released, and have only recently swi…

>ICS ecosystem is almost vaporware, it is supposed to be the best release yet, but i actually never saw it. Maybe its the best thing since sliced bread, but if nobody uses it, what exactly is the point?!

Your chances of getting ICS on your legacy device are virtually zero. whereas getting IOS 6 on the iphone 4S is assured.

There are two kinds of Android users in this world - those who care about this issue, and those who don't. The former tend to be the innovators and early adopters who pay attention to every new OS release and whatnot, the latter are the mainstream users who just want a working phone and don't follow the tech rags and don't really care about the details.

So what I wonder is, if you're in the former group, why buy any Android phone other than a Nexus variant straight from Google, which is the only one guaranteed to get the latest greatest OS updates as painlessly as possible? I'm in that group, and I couldn't imagine buying some mangled, bloated carrier-modified version of Android. Is it just the marginally better hardware specs that attract people?

Re: "Android ICS already offers more than what is coming in iOS 6"

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Post by technoslut »

cageface wrote: post #43
doron wrote: post #3

ICS ecosystem is almost vaporware, it is supposed to be the best release yet, but i actually never saw it. Maybe its the best thing since sliced bread, but if nobody uses it, what exactly is the point?! Your chances of getting ICS on your legacy device are virtually zero. whereas getting IOS 6 on the iphone 4S is assured. [EDIT] I have been an android user since it was essentially released, and have only recently swi…

Your chances of getting ICS on your legacy device are virtually zero. whereas getting IOS 6 on the iphone 4S is assured. Yes, but how important is this really in practice? With both platforms approaching maturity deploying major OS updates OTA is going to be less important. Google can ride the natural device upgrade cycle to get out new versions. If they can make the browser and email client and a few other key apps…

>With both platforms approaching maturity...

I can't agree with that. Many felt that way in 2006 and definitely turned out not to be the case.

Re: "Android ICS already offers more than what is coming in iOS 6"

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Post by mladenkovacevic »

phsr wrote: post #10
doron wrote: post #3

ICS ecosystem is almost vaporware, it is supposed to be the best release yet, but i actually never saw it. Maybe its the best thing since sliced bread, but if nobody uses it, what exactly is the point?! Your chances of getting ICS on your legacy device are virtually zero. whereas getting IOS 6 on the iphone 4S is assured. [EDIT] I have been an android user since it was essentially released, and have only recently swi…

Hell, the 3GS is getting iOS 6. What 3 year old Android phone will get ICS? Like you said, I'm guessing not many if any at all. Agreeing with your point, Android is heavily fragmented, with phone manufacturers having the final say on which software gets deployed to their phones. Many of them are going to use new OS version to force software upgrades

What does this mean? iOS6? What is ICS? (don't answer those questions.. I know what ICS is)

My point is the average user isn't sitting there with their Galaxy-Titan-whatever in their hands feverishly checking what version of Android they're running and yelling "Where is my ICS!!" They're posting to Facebook, emailing, tweeting, searching for restaurants..etc

It's all about features.. and the fact is that iOS6 is catching up with Android 2.2... not 4.0

Re: "Android ICS already offers more than what is coming in iOS 6"

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Post by daleharvey »

Predictably most of the comments are about the android upgrade issues, but the solution is simple, people who care about these features buy a google device, which receives timely upgrades, is cheaper than an iphone, and has its own advantages (+disadvantages) over iphone hardware

The people that dont care about these feature buy any random android and get this stuff later as the carriers catchup

Re: "Android ICS already offers more than what is coming in iOS 6"

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Post by mtgx »

doron wrote: post #3

ICS ecosystem is almost vaporware, it is supposed to be the best release yet, but i actually never saw it. Maybe its the best thing since sliced bread, but if nobody uses it, what exactly is the point?! Your chances of getting ICS on your legacy device are virtually zero. whereas getting IOS 6 on the iphone 4S is assured. [EDIT] I have been an android user since it was essentially released, and have only recently swi…

Like 250 million iOS users out of 365 can't use 2 of the biggest features of iOS - Siri and the 3D Maps (and also turn by turn I believe). How is that for fragmentation?

Yes, Apple does port an iOS version to most devices, and yes manufacturers have been very slow with ICS, but Apple doesn't push all the features when they port the OS to older hardware either, and sometime they are major features.

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