When you're an empire being supported on the labor of a couple billion people in other parts of the world, yes, life for you and yours can be pretty okay. Not as okay for the imperial periphery, the sacrifice zones, but they don't really count. > You can amass a closet full of outfits, in a variety of styles and colors, with no knowledge of the spinning machines, the dyeing vats, the automatic looms, the sewing machi…
Life was dirty, difficult, and dangerous for almost everyone who ever existed
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#33> the ballpoint pen, invented in the 1930s, saved many clothes and tablecloths from spilled ink I used an inkwell and dip pen for a couple years to take class notes. Don’t really know why. Spilling the ink was never a problem, but really they are just worse than pencils in every way. Can’t erase, the nib doesn’t want to go backwards, and ink smudges.
Blackadder: Well, this is the title page for Macbeth, signed by Shakespeare himself.
[The guests look at Blackadder like he's grown a second head]
Melchett: No, no, wait, you all remember Shakespeare. He's the fellow who invented the ballpoint pen!
Blackadder: Well, I might have affected one or two things,
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#34Earlier quoted context omitted.
> But my point is, essays like these assume we are peak humanity. Do they? the might assume we’re peak humanity right now but they don’t make the claim that we’re are the peak there ever will be
Seems like his argument is about now . The truth is that every now has been the peak so far, so his words apply to all points in time. It seems to me he's missing that. Does it sound like he's urging people 2000 years ago to appreciate how clean their lives are? No?
That's a very strong statement and I have some doubts. There were periods of relative calm abd prosperity, then hit by plague (killed of one third of Europe's population in 2 decades), famines, little ice age, decades long wars etc. where it seems absurd to claim that now is better than before.
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#35> the ballpoint pen, invented in the 1930s, saved many clothes and tablecloths from spilled ink I used an inkwell and dip pen for a couple years to take class notes. Don’t really know why. Spilling the ink was never a problem, but really they are just worse than pencils in every way. Can’t erase, the nib doesn’t want to go backwards, and ink smudges.
This could also just be because I used 0.5 and never thought to try 0.7 back when I was taking long paper notes daily, in the pre phone era.
Re: Life was dirty, difficult, and dangerous for almost everyone who ever existed
#36When you're an empire being supported on the labor of a couple billion people in other parts of the world, yes, life for you and yours can be pretty okay. Not as okay for the imperial periphery, the sacrifice zones, but they don't really count. > You can amass a closet full of outfits, in a variety of styles and colors, with no knowledge of the spinning machines, the dyeing vats, the automatic looms, the sewing machi…
I think I also see how a surfeit of liberal arts education, with all its absurdly relativizing, simplifying, hand waving fashionable criticism of everything "commercial" that it depends on has crippled your own perspective.
No, the modern world isn't a simplistic black and white case of a tiny rich world being that way only because it lives off the back of a massive toiling class of slaves. The reality is much more complex and mutually transactional. The same market dynamics that make more developed countries even wealthier also heavily contribute to improved living in countries still developing further, and vice versa.
Is there exploitation? Sure. The human world has never been perfect and even while it improves, many injustices remain, but to categorize the socioeconomic structures of today's world so simplistically as your comment does is to make an argument that caricaturizes both the genuinely wealthy and the billions of poor you implicitly claim to sympathize with. They too are looking for and finding their comparative measures of improved wealth specifically by being participants in the market system that they too help build and actively participate in, and which makes the consumer goods they seek more affordable than ever before for an incrementally more comfortable life.
It's not perfect, but it's far better than the vast majority of historical alternatives. If you hate it so much, at least lay out a practical alternative that's actually desirable and realistic enough for billions of people to embrace it in practice as they do largely capitalist markets. Can you?
While you're doing that, why not look at the actual numbers for how more people than ever (in the developing or third world too) live today compared to any time in human history and try calling it all bullshit. It's easy to compare a given situation to our ideal of "how it should be". It's however much more honest to compare it to a previous reality so that the hard increments of improvement can be appreciated.
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#37Earlier quoted context omitted.
Seems like his argument is about now . The truth is that every now has been the peak so far, so his words apply to all points in time. It seems to me he's missing that. Does it sound like he's urging people 2000 years ago to appreciate how clean their lives are? No?
> The truth is that every now has been the peak so far, so his words apply to all points in time. That's a very strong statement and I have some doubts. There were periods of relative calm abd prosperity, then hit by plague (killed of one third of Europe's population in 2 decades), famines, little ice age, decades long wars etc. where it seems absurd to claim that now is better than before.
But given the various evolutionary processes, the trend is improvement over time.
Re: Life was dirty, difficult, and dangerous for almost everyone who ever existed
#38> the ballpoint pen, invented in the 1930s, saved many clothes and tablecloths from spilled ink I used an inkwell and dip pen for a couple years to take class notes. Don’t really know why. Spilling the ink was never a problem, but really they are just worse than pencils in every way. Can’t erase, the nib doesn’t want to go backwards, and ink smudges.
Re: Life was dirty, difficult, and dangerous for almost everyone who ever existed
#39> the ballpoint pen, invented in the 1930s, saved many clothes and tablecloths from spilled ink I used an inkwell and dip pen for a couple years to take class notes. Don’t really know why. Spilling the ink was never a problem, but really they are just worse than pencils in every way. Can’t erase, the nib doesn’t want to go backwards, and ink smudges.
How old *are* you?!
Re: Life was dirty, difficult, and dangerous for almost everyone who ever existed
#40> the ballpoint pen, invented in the 1930s, saved many clothes and tablecloths from spilled ink I used an inkwell and dip pen for a couple years to take class notes. Don’t really know why. Spilling the ink was never a problem, but really they are just worse than pencils in every way. Can’t erase, the nib doesn’t want to go backwards, and ink smudges.
Most mechanical pencils never seem that reliable. The leads break after a month of jostling in a bag and then it doesn't work when you need it. This could also just be because I used 0.5 and never thought to try 0.7 back when I was taking long paper notes daily, in the pre phone era.