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Re: Ask HN: Why is Apple ripping of European users? 1€ ≠ 1$

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In Australia, it's called "The Australia Tax".

Partly, selling into another country is a bit of a headache. That's one reason why US businesses can do so well - they only need to succeed in a single jurisdiction and they'll make a lot of money. Yes, there's different state laws, but pretty much all countries have annoying state laws, and not all countries are as lucrative a market as California alone.

Re: Ask HN: Why is Apple ripping of European users? 1€ ≠ 1$

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I don't think it's that strange. Let's compare the cost of the same MacBook Air in the US and France. 1. MacBook Air 11-inch : 64GB in US is $999. 2. MacBook Air 11-inch : 64GB in France is €1,049 3. $1 = €0.80 at the current time. So you might think the MacBook Air should be €800 (999 * 0.80). So why it is €249 more? France levies 19.6% TVA (sales tax) on goods and the tax is included in the display price; the US le…

The other thing is that the price they set at launch doesn't change when the exchange rate changes. So Apple doesn't set the price relative to current exchange rates, but relative to whatever rate they're hedging against. So don't look at the current rates, look at the long term futures rates.

Re: Ask HN: Why is Apple ripping of European users? 1€ ≠ 1$

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Apart from Tax, there is also the problem with fluctuation of exchange rate. Then there are operating cost and other sorts of things.

There is still quite a margin, but same type of Electronics devices would have cost more in UK compare to US even without the tax difference. So it is not really a Apple thing at all.

Re: Ask HN: Why is Apple ripping of European users? 1€ ≠ 1$

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I don't think it's that strange. Let's compare the cost of the same MacBook Air in the US and France. 1. MacBook Air 11-inch : 64GB in US is $999. 2. MacBook Air 11-inch : 64GB in France is €1,049 3. $1 = €0.80 at the current time. So you might think the MacBook Air should be €800 (999 * 0.80). So why it is €249 more? France levies 19.6% TVA (sales tax) on goods and the tax is included in the display price; the US le…

Although not as massive as it looks in the first place, there is still a discrepancy. The new MBP-Retina top config is 2799 USD -> 1805 GBP. In the UK store, it's 2299 GBP, less 20% vat -> 1916 GBP. So they're taking more than a 100 quid extra from each UK customer, "just because".

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Re: Ask HN: Why is Apple ripping of European users? 1€ ≠ 1$

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To make it short: Because they can. As others have pointed out there are taxes, regulations and so on, but the main reason (in my opinion) is that they still make a very good profit in Europe, so why should they reduce prices? Apple is a business and businesses will do almost anything to make more profit (that's the reason they exist, nothing wrong here).

p.s.: Steam has a similar policy and one could note that Steam and Apple share a common trait: No real alternative.

Re: Ask HN: Why is Apple ripping of European users? 1€ ≠ 1$

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If I had to guess (and I guess I don't /have/ to), I'd say it's strictly psychological pricing, and is not intended to reflect some sort of idealized exchange rate or the like. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychological_pricing

Not forgetting that things are priced by what people will pay for them..

Re: Ask HN: Why is Apple ripping of European users? 1€ ≠ 1$

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Although not as massive as it looks in the first place, there is still a discrepancy. The new MBP-Retina top config is 2799 USD -> 1805 GBP. In the UK store, it's 2299 GBP, less 20% vat -> 1916 GBP. So they're taking more than a 100 quid extra from each UK customer, "just because".

Well, don't forget our lovely European regulations. The costs of hiring employees and handling business in Europe is higher than in US if I'm not mistaken. Finally, I'd guess that Apple pays its contractors in USD. So if today 1 USD = 0.8 EUR, Apple needs to consider the fact that tomorrow it may be 1 USD = 0.9 EUR, and the price needs to reflect this scenario as well (they cannot change the price every single month…

The european regulations are cheap compared to the legal risks of operating in the states. So, thats not it.

Exchange rate? You keep assuming prices are based on costs. They are not. They are based on profit.

So, when the population in a country has more money to spent, or better but, there where the median, rather than the average, income is the highest, the prices will be too.

So, its cheap in the US because americans are generally more poor, except for a few that throw the average. Off course, "poor" is a very relative concept in this regard.

Income inequality leads to lower prices, and lower margins.

Re: Ask HN: Why is Apple ripping of European users? 1€ ≠ 1$

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well, don't forget our lovely European regulations. The costs of hiring employees and handling business in Europe is higher than in US if I'm not mistaken. Finally, I'd guess that Apple pays its contractors in USD. So if today 1 USD = 0.8 EUR, Apple needs to consider the fact that tomorrow it may be 1 USD = 0.9 EUR, and the price needs to reflect this scenario as well (they cannot change the price every single month…

The european regulations are cheap compared to the legal risks of operating in the states. So, thats not it. Exchange rate? You keep assuming prices are based on costs. They are not. They are based on profit. So, when the population in a country has more money to spent, or better but, there where the median, rather than the average, income is the highest, the prices will be too. So, its cheap in the US because americ…

The data don't really seem to support that view of things:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Median_household_income

Re: Ask HN: Why is Apple ripping of European users? 1€ ≠ 1$

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In Europe you are forced to give your customer 2 years of warranty on certain products. E.g. computer hardware or electronics. Apple refused to in the past (and still had their crazy EUR prices then). But now, after being dragged to court about it in Italy, and loosing, they at least have a good reason to charge more in Europe. ;) This is the case for most vendors. E.g. my Panasonic GH2 camera did cost a bit more in…

But this 1$ = 1€ rule has been there for much more time. This can't be the main reason. As another poster wrote, I think the reason is rather "because they can". They may have charged a premium back in the 80s or 90s and just kept it because it worked.
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