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rurounijones wrote: post #202
bombtrack wrote: post #196

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I just built a fairly powerful desktop hackintosh and I'm running OSX 10.7.3. The little bit of research that went into ensuring all the parts were compatible was well worth the cash savings.

Just to make a slight change: "I just build a fairly powerful desktop hackintosh and I'm running OSX 10.7.3 illegally" Now you might not care about the licensing restrictions on Mac operating systems (I don't) but saying "Oh you can just do this" when it is technically* breaking the law is not an alternative for many people. * Rather up in the air at the moment to be sure, but err on the side of caution

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Post by gaius »

nirvana wrote: post #53
forrestthewoods wrote: post #29

Our sound guy is PISSED at the lack of update. Seriously, incredibly pissed. I've honestly never seen him this angry before. He'd been counting down the days till WWDC and a long overdue update. There are three major pieces of software he uses on his Mac that he swears by. It sounds like they have all just released or are about to release Windows versions. I'm beginning to wonder if this is a trend? Apple is clearly…

I read recently that the Mac Pro accounts for less than %2 of Apple's Mac sales. Since thunderbolt basically is a PCI express cable, there's nothing to stop people from building external cases that can hold PCI express cards, like the Mac Pro can. Since thunderbolt is becoming prevalent across the line, I can't really see a need for the Mac Pro so much anymore. True it is nice in some situations to put all your hard…

I read recently that the Mac Pro accounts for less than %2 of Apple's Mac sales

What % of media and apps consumed on other Apple kit is created on Mac Pros? Are all the devs and videographers etc using laptops now?

FWIW my dev setup is a MacBook Pro connected to a Cinema Display.

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rurounijones wrote: post #277
jiggy2011 wrote: post #272

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Your not breaking "the law" as nobody can come and arrest you for running OSX on your PC. The worst that could happen is that Apple would try to sue you, but have there been any successful cases of this? End user being sued that is , not companies that were selling PCs with OSX on.

You're breaking "the law" in that you are (in the US at least) violating the DMCA (Possibly, like I said, grey area). Having said that, I am not interested in arguing pedantic semantics about about what constitutes "the law" and what "breaking" it entails.

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Post by jiggy2011 »

w1ntermute wrote: post #180
betterth wrote: post #155

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As a strangely pertinent anecdote: I've been a Windows "poweruser" for a long time, and have never used much of Linux. I never had a real need for it. But I've been doing rails development lately and Windows kept getting in the way, and so many people are using OSX and I can't afford a Mac... so I tried Ubuntu. I'm using 12.04, and it's the first significant amount of time I've used spent with Ubuntu. I can say that…

> I really like gedit more than Notepad++ gedit is available on Windows too. If you really want to harness the power of Linux, run Vim. You'll see at least an order of magnitude in productiviy improvement.

I keep hearing this. I can do basic Vim (i.e use it as a standard text editor) but for "serious" programming tasks I mostly use Eclipse.

What advantages other than freeing up screen room and RAM would I get from using Vim over eclipse that would give me an "order of magnitude" productivity increase?

I know vim has a lot of keyboard shortcuts, but there are also quite a few in eclipse.

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Post by jiggy2011 »

chao- wrote: post #113
beedogs wrote: post #106

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I say the future of desktop software is going to involve Linux, finally. Both Windows and OS X are becoming walled-garden tablet-centric shitfests.

As a Linux desktop user, I want to agree with you. As a Linux desktop user, I'm not sure that I can.

The future of Linux on the general "desktop" space will be as a front end for the cloud/web I believe.

Rather than "Linux apps" expect it to be running stuff using things like Google Native client or increasingly sophisticated JS virtual machines.

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Post by jiggy2011 »

rurounijones wrote: post #277
jiggy2011 wrote: post #272

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Your not breaking "the law" as nobody can come and arrest you for running OSX on your PC. The worst that could happen is that Apple would try to sue you, but have there been any successful cases of this? End user being sued that is , not companies that were selling PCs with OSX on.

You're breaking "the law" in that you are (in the US at least) violating the DMCA (Possibly, like I said, grey area). Having said that, I am not interested in arguing pedantic semantics about about what constitutes "the law" and what "breaking" it entails.

Would it be a DMCA violation? I'm not really sure of the specifics here.

You wouldn't be breaking copyright , since you're not making a copy (assuming you bought a legit copy of the OS). You also aren't circumventing any of the copy protection afaik since OSX doesn't really have any.

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Post by itsboring »

rurounijones wrote: post #277
jiggy2011 wrote: post #272

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Your not breaking "the law" as nobody can come and arrest you for running OSX on your PC. The worst that could happen is that Apple would try to sue you, but have there been any successful cases of this? End user being sued that is , not companies that were selling PCs with OSX on.

You're breaking "the law" in that you are (in the US at least) violating the DMCA (Possibly, like I said, grey area). Having said that, I am not interested in arguing pedantic semantics about about what constitutes "the law" and what "breaking" it entails.

Whether something is a federal crime (you know, with warrants and handcuffs and all that) or not hardly seems pedantic. You're the one making the assertion here, so do you have any legal sources to cite or are you sticking with the "pedantic semantics" argument when someone challenges your point?

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Post by flyinRyan »

corwinstephen wrote: post #163
kbuck wrote: post #148

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I disagree. Apple is both a hardware and software company, and I would argue that most of the decision to buy a Mac lies in software, not hardware. People don't say "I need this computer because it has an aluminum case"; they say "I need a Mac because it's easier to use." Not charging for minor updates doesn't mean they're giving them away. It means they've already rolled the cost into the original sale price.

Let's be honest with ourselves here. True, it's not the aluminum case they're after. But it also isn't the ease of use; The ease of use paradigm is yet another clever Apple marketing tactic to give people something to talk about when trying to explain to their friends why they made the decision to buy. The real reasons people buy Macintosh (and I'm talking about the general public here, because admittedly, the person…

>But it also isn't the ease of use;

That's not strictly true. Perhaps for the fanboy. I got Mac because I just don't have time to admin windows anymore. When I realized how much time I was spending on this and how many times cheap hardware had failed me I made the switch. I didn't want to because I didn't care to learn a new OS but at some point I decided the potential savings were worth the risk.

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Post by flyinRyan »

robomartin wrote: post #98

This illustrates the issue I highlighted in another thread: http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=4097141 The fact that Apple keeps hardware and, increasingly, software, so tightly controlled leads to a situation like that of this "new" Mac Pro. If the Apple hardware ecosystem were open like that of Windows you'd have major companies all over the world evolving the platform in wonderful ways. Performance would go up an…

> If the Apple hardware ecosystem were open like that of Windows you'd have major companies all over the world evolving the platform in wonderful ways.

And OSX would also be crashing all the time, getting a reputation for being unstable. This is exactly why they have such tightly controlled hardware configurations: so some cheap company with bad drivers can't make Grandmothers think Mac OSX crashes all the time.

It's not "free" throwing in support for any stupid (even conflicting!) configuration that people could come up with. You have to write your OS different and you're still not going to stop all the problems. Most of Windows old reputation for being horribly unstable came from a handful of drivers.

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Post by userulluipeste »

kbuck wrote: post #148
alaskamiller wrote: post #130

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The irony of this post is so hilarious to me, this is Apple coming full circle from its clone wars days. Man, those were some shitty experiences. Apple is an hardware company. They make money off the nuts and bolts pieced together with premium markup, software is but icing on top. They practically give away the results of their development costs on OSX. You're encountering the cognitive dissonance as experienced in t…

I disagree. Apple is both a hardware and software company, and I would argue that most of the decision to buy a Mac lies in software, not hardware. People don't say "I need this computer because it has an aluminum case"; they say "I need a Mac because it's easier to use." Not charging for minor updates doesn't mean they're giving them away. It means they've already rolled the cost into the original sale price.

Actually, the first argument I hear from everybody is "Apple has the nicest hardware".
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