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Launch HN: Traceloop (YC W23) – Detecting LLM Hallucinations with OpenTelemetry

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Re: Launch HN: Traceloop (YC W23) – Detecting LLM Hallucinations with OpenTelemetry

#51
Thank you for spending your time on something that is a barrier to AI adoption.

Can you talk about your detection rates? False positives and false negatives. Perhaps you are still figuring this out

I’m not sure why so many folks are being so derisive on this post.

Re: Launch HN: Traceloop (YC W23) – Detecting LLM Hallucinations with OpenTelemetry

#52
post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

dear god, where is this list from? surely not hand curated?

60. Radiant.AI 61. Weights & Biases (Weave) 62. Quotient AI (some observability there)

* 6. Arize LLM Otel (OpenInference)

Re: Launch HN: Traceloop (YC W23) – Detecting LLM Hallucinations with OpenTelemetry

#55
As users of otel, we are looking at reusing otel for our LLM stack, and as it is easy to instrument, don't need a new framework for that part.

However, the more interesting part is the storage: Imagine ingesting 100pg PDFs or 1M tweets, and doing many/big LLM map/reduce with big (128K+) context. In observability land, we generally have small payloads, sample data, and retire data... and backends + pricing assumes that. In LLMs, we instead might want some hot, rest in the DWH, and store everything.

How have folks been dealing with these kind of mismatches? Eg, Clickhouse backends for otel? Something else? Small stuff in otel and big stuff manually in a doc store / s3 json / parquet?

Re: Launch HN: Traceloop (YC W23) – Detecting LLM Hallucinations with OpenTelemetry

#56
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Earlier quoted context omitted.

?? but who is monitoring the AI layer monitoring the AI who produced the original output ?? openai audited by claudeai which is then audited by gemini ai... then to close the loop, gemini ai is then audited by openai

I had read the OP's comment as sarcastic, but you never know these days lol Your concern would be exactly mine as well, and why I assumed "brilliant" was sarcasm, cause it feels like handing over the problem to the same solution that got you the problem in the first place?

(it was sarcastic. Too late to edit in a /s)

Re: Launch HN: Traceloop (YC W23) – Detecting LLM Hallucinations with OpenTelemetry

#57
I dont know if they are just casually using logos on their homepage but why the heck would Google (and even IBM) be using a product like this? Like… your entire future depends on getting this right and youre using a startup with 2-5 people to do this for you?!!

Make it make sense..

Re: Launch HN: Traceloop (YC W23) – Detecting LLM Hallucinations with OpenTelemetry

#58
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Congratulations on launch. This is a crowded market, and there are many tools doing the same thing. How are you differentiating yourself from other tools like: Langfuse Portkey Keywords ai Promptfoo

not to mention langsmith? braintrust? humanloop? does that count? not sure what else - lets crowdsource a list here so that people can find them in future

I started an open list (on github) of awesome open source repos for AI Engineers. It covers repos that help with building RAG apps, Agents, Dataset preparation, Fine tuning, Evaluation, Observability etc. Good to crowdsource these repos and products. https://github.com/sydverma123/awesome-ai-repositories

Re: Launch HN: Traceloop (YC W23) – Detecting LLM Hallucinations with OpenTelemetry

#59

I dont know if they are just casually using logos on their homepage but why the heck would Google (and even IBM) be using a product like this? Like… your entire future depends on getting this right and youre using a startup with 2-5 people to do this for you?!! Make it make sense..

If that’s true, they should want to evaluate all the options out there to ensure they’re not missing out.

Though I think it’s more likely there’s some Googler who happen to use this service, note how the wording is “Engineers […] use our products[…]” rather than “Companies”.

Re: Launch HN: Traceloop (YC W23) – Detecting LLM Hallucinations with OpenTelemetry

#60

This is poorly worded. Detecting "hallucinations" as the term is commonly used, as in a model making up answers not actually in its source text, or answers that are generally untrue, is fundamentally impossible. Verifying the truth of a statement requires empirical investigation. It isn't a feature of language itself. This is just the basic analytic/synthetic distinction identified by Kant centuries ago. It's why we…

And whats the false positive rate? Its good and dandy that you find most answers that are hallucinations but do you flag a significant % of answers that are not really hallucinations too? For instance, if a summarization doesnt use any sentences or even words from the original text, that doesnt necessarily mean its a hallucination. It could simply be a full paraphrased summary
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