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For advertising, Firefox now collects user data by default

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Re: For advertising, Firefox now collects user data by default

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Post by bawolff »

mightyham wrote: post #204
3l3ktr4 wrote: post #165

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>And Mozilla leadership is associated with radical left politics, just as an extra. Do you have proof for this? I'd be curious. I also fail to see how is that related to the collecting data by default thing. Is that a leftist thing now?

Whether you agree or disagree with what the Mozilla foundation does, it seems fairly matter of fact to say that they are pursuing liberal policies and that posts from the leadership, like the couple below, employ a good bit of leftist rhetoric. https://blog.mozilla.org/en/mozilla/first-steps-toward-lasti... https://blog.mozilla.org/en/mozilla/leadership/mozilla-racia...

Weird how that is considered radical left now.

When i think of radical left, i think of the proletariat rising up and freeing itself from its chains.

The only radical left thing about mozilla is the iconography in its original logo.

Re: For advertising, Firefox now collects user data by default

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Post by shrimp_emoji »

bawolff wrote: post #481
mightyham wrote: post #204

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Whether you agree or disagree with what the Mozilla foundation does, it seems fairly matter of fact to say that they are pursuing liberal policies and that posts from the leadership, like the couple below, employ a good bit of leftist rhetoric. https://blog.mozilla.org/en/mozilla/first-steps-toward-lasti... https://blog.mozilla.org/en/mozilla/leadership/mozilla-racia...

Weird how that is considered radical left now. When i think of radical left, i think of the proletariat rising up and freeing itself from its chains. The only radical left thing about mozilla is the iconography in its original logo.

Socially left in the American sense (same with "liberal"). You're just insisting on the Old World economic sense, which is totally irrelevant in America.

Oppressing workers is fine, but it better be inclusive oppression.

Re: For advertising, Firefox now collects user data by default

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Post by ryandrake »

ta988 wrote: post #295
latexr wrote: post #87

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> It’s clear in retrospect that we should have communicated more on this one What isn’t clear, in retrospect or otherwise, is why companies/apps/services need to keep learning this lesson. The user outcry was utterly predictable from even before the first web article was out. The fact that no one with decision power at Mozilla saw it coming is worrying: either they have zero understanding of people’s concerns for pri…

They don't care. It is not the first time, always the same excuse and blame the user to not be intelligent enough to understand (this is what communicated more means in their broken by profit minds).

> this is what communicated more means in their broken by profit minds

"We should have communicated more" seems like a passive-aggressive way of saying "Oh, you poor simpletons... We should have talked slower, used more, simple words, and been more persuasive. We failed to properly explain why you're wrong. If only we did that, you'd more readily accept what we're giving you."

Re: For advertising, Firefox now collects user data by default

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Post by ryandrake »

seanhunter wrote: post #301

If you want to disable this, instructions are given here[1] but 1) Hamburger menu -> Settings -> Privacy & Security 2) scroll down to the new section entitled "Web Site Advertising Preferences". 3) Make sure the box marked "Allow web sites to perform privacy-preserving ad measurement" is not checked. [1] https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/privacy-preserving-attr...

It's great that there is a way to turn it off, but the root problem, again and again, is that it is on by default without obtaining the user's opt-in consent. The company (again) made a unilateral decision about what the software should do, without asking the user. This is such a common, terrible practice of Silicon Valley.

I don't care if the feature cures cancer or gives me a free puppy. I don't want a feature running without my explicitly commanding it to run.

Re: For advertising, Firefox now collects user data by default

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Post by jay_kyburz »

tgv wrote: post #450
jay_kyburz wrote: post #167

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HTML only (with forms). Client side css only. No JavaScript. No cookies.

That's not acceptable for 99.9% of the people, so they'll stay on their current browsers. An alternative must be attractive to succeed.

I don't feel the need to fix the whole world. Just my corner of it.

I would use it to read my rss feeds. I'm sure we could make Hacker News discussions work. My mastodon feed could probably work too. That's 90% of my browser usage right there.

Just imagine how pleasant it would be to browse and navigate. Would be so fast, so responsive.

I really like https://geminiprotocol.net/ but I think they went too far removing images, sounds, video, and forms.

Re: For advertising, Firefox now collects user data by default

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Post by Sammi »

tgv wrote: post #449
Sammi wrote: post #156

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Ladybird more than doubled their js performane in five months between january and may and are now about 2x as slow as Safari: https://x.com/awesomekling/status/1790098727081836697 Things are progressing faster than you'd think.

First, that's uncompiled/jitted. Second: the 80/20 rule.

There are surely to be diminishing returns for sure. Ladybird is clearly improving this fast right now because the devs are picking the low hanging fruit. But we also don't need 100% parity before Ladybird usable. And when users pick it up then it begets more donations and more devs resources, which mean more improvement. So there is reason to be optimistic.

Re: For advertising, Firefox now collects user data by default

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Post by bawolff »

shrimp_emoji wrote: post #482
bawolff wrote: post #481

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Weird how that is considered radical left now. When i think of radical left, i think of the proletariat rising up and freeing itself from its chains. The only radical left thing about mozilla is the iconography in its original logo.

Socially left in the American sense (same with "liberal"). You're just insisting on the Old World economic sense, which is totally irrelevant in America. Oppressing workers is fine, but it better be inclusive oppression.

Sure, but there is a big difference between "left" and "radical left"

Re: For advertising, Firefox now collects user data by default

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Post by ChrisArchitect »

[dupe]

Since this is days old news with lots of discussion (https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40952330 and more)

the more recent development is Firefox CTO posting thoughts: https://old.reddit.com/r/firefox/comments/1e43w7v/a_word_abo...

(https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40971247)

Re: For advertising, Firefox now collects user data by default

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Post by 1vuio0pswjnm7 »

defulmere wrote: post #366
seanhunter wrote: post #301

If you want to disable this, instructions are given here[1] but 1) Hamburger menu -> Settings -> Privacy & Security 2) scroll down to the new section entitled "Web Site Advertising Preferences". 3) Make sure the box marked "Allow web sites to perform privacy-preserving ad measurement" is not checked. [1] https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/privacy-preserving-attr...

Thanks for providing these instructions. My usual way to get to some setting in Firefox is to use the search box but it seems that Mozilla is actively hiding this one by excluding it from search, ie if you type "advertising" into the settings search box then there are no results.

Is everything typed into the search box sent to Google by default.
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