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Re: Show HN: Horizon – Private alternative to Imgur

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The marketing says that this is an Alternative to Imgur, but the product doesn't feel like an alternative to Imgur, it feels like an alternative to OneDrive. It shares more features with Gyazo, the other product you compare it to, but I don't see it being a solid upsell. Is marketed to Imgur users as a better alternative for broadly sharing memes on the Internet, and if so why is privacy and encryption important? Cou…

You're comparing Horizon to cloud storage services, which I think is unfair. Horizon is focused on the sharing aspect. Uploading to Google Drive and OneDrive is not as effortless as Horizon and won't provide the same frictionless viewing experience for whoever you share the links to. Horizon is actually cheaper than alternatives, including Gyazo and Streamable, as said in another person's comment. Global encryption i…

>You're comparing Horizon to cloud storage services, which I think is unfair. Horizon is focused on the sharing aspect.

I think the closest competitor you have is MEGA, and they are not a Cloud Storage service, they are a File Hosting service like Horizon is. There is plenty of overlap between the offerings of Cloud Storage and File Hosting services, but if sharing files with others is a central feature, the service is generally understood to be a File Hosting service, and that would definitely include services like OneDrive and Google Drive too.

>Uploading to Google Drive and OneDrive is not as effortless as Horizon

How specifically is it easier? Create an account, upload files, optionally with a client. API for uploading programatically. Sharable URLs for giving access to others. It seems fundamentally equal to other platforms in ease-of-use.

>Horizon is actually cheaper than alternatives, including Gyazo and Streamable

Gyazo's entry tier costs the same as your's, and also offers an Enterprise tier with SSO/MFA that is going to be a operational requirement of any business customer that cares about privacy and security.

Streamable's entry tier may cost twice as much ($10/month), but it comes with 5x the storage (critical if you're sharing 4K HDR video), and the guarantee of a highly available CDN. It is marketed towards a specific need, instead of the broad social/business product you have created, which is superfluous to anyone who just needs reliable video hosting.

>Global encryption is enabled at rest for every file, but with a key that I control.

As good as unencrypted if this key is hot and used to decrypt all files shared without user encryption.

Re: Show HN: Horizon – Private alternative to Imgur

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This is a legally...risky strategy. You built a cool thing but unfortunately when you put cool things online they get used for the worst possible purposes.

Yes, I understand there is an unfortunate risk. However, I oppose file scanning, and so do many users, as we've seen with the Apple scandal. If any content is uploaded that violates the terms of service and is reported, they will be deleted as soon as possible, and that user will almost certainly be permanently banned. The terms of service also limits my liability.

The terms of service cannot shield you from federal law. Not sure if you're in the US or elsewhere but similar laws are prevalent around the world - in the US federal law prohibits the production, advertisement, transportation, distribution, receipt, sale, and possession of child sexual abuse material (CSAM).

This is an issue that could ruin you. The only reason it hasn't already is that the service isn't big enough yet. You undoubtedly already have CSAM on your network and any reasonable person with experience online would expect that, which is an important standard for you to consider. You're starting your own projects online at 17. You will do a lot of cool stuff in your life. Don't let this kill that inertia.

My 2c.

Re: Show HN: Horizon – Private alternative to Imgur

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> Unlike Imgur, Horizon has absolutely no ads, doesn't sell your data, has built-in security and privacy controls, and is fully focused on your file sharing needs. No social media or other bloat. This is exactly how imgur started. It was a reddit user, providing a service for fellow redditors. I am not being snarky. As others have said, media hosting can never really be free.

if this was decentralized it would still have meaning but this project is going to run into the same limitations imgur did

one potential difference is that it already offers a $5/month paid version, not sure how long it took for Imgur to do that. so at least it has the potential to not need ads ever, but fully dependent on whether the revenue from the paid version can pay for the costs of the free version (500 MB offered for free users).

Edit: but indeed I am usually annoyed by the "Privacy first, no ads forever!!!111" marketing. Unless it's some bitTorrent like technology that decentralizes the load, it's not really possible forever.

Re: Show HN: Horizon – Private alternative to Imgur

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Privacy and security are important considerations for file hosting services, and Horizon seems to be addressing these well with its built-in controls and encryption features. The desktop app integration is a nice touch that could make the service more convenient to use.

Thank you. I try my best to balance both privacy and security and functionality.

Re: Show HN: Horizon – Private alternative to Imgur

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You're comparing Horizon to cloud storage services, which I think is unfair. Horizon is focused on the sharing aspect. Uploading to Google Drive and OneDrive is not as effortless as Horizon and won't provide the same frictionless viewing experience for whoever you share the links to. Horizon is actually cheaper than alternatives, including Gyazo and Streamable, as said in another person's comment. Global encryption i…

>You're comparing Horizon to cloud storage services, which I think is unfair. Horizon is focused on the sharing aspect. I think the closest competitor you have is MEGA, and they are not a Cloud Storage service, they are a File Hosting service like Horizon is. There is plenty of overlap between the offerings of Cloud Storage and File Hosting services, but if sharing files with others is a central feature, the service…

Gyazo does not cost the same. You're comparing monthly prices *billed annually* to Horizon's month to month term, which is an unfair comparison. Horizon is $3.75 a month billed annually, while Gyazo is $4.99.
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