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MacBook Pro gets Retina Display; MacBook Air updated with Ivy Bridge

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Re: MacBook Pro gets Retina Display; MacBook Air updated with Ivy Bridge

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I don't want a "Retina display", I want a true 1920x1080 on my 15" MBP. Apple is trying to impose that density is the same thing as resolution, which is not. A "Retina display" of 2880x1800 is just a "better" 1440x900. Give me the option to choose between double pixels and real pixels and I'll buy thee.

I'm having the same concern. I use all 1920 x 1200 in my standard workflow. I'm concerned about the lack of a 17" model, as this screen's physical width is just about the minimum that can support two side by side pages at comfortable reading font sizes. Pixel density is high enough already that I'm not persuaded more pixels will make smaller fonts any more comfortable, and 15" simply doesn't approximate two 8.5" x 11…

Another 17" lover here. I think when I get one of these new ones -- which I will have to, at some point, I guess -- I'll also get a dental loupe so I can really use the resolution.

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A 2880x1880 screen, with top of the line CPU with highest build quality at $2199 IS mind-blowing. Those screens don't come cheap.

We need to remember that it's the nature of technology to continuously improve. We tend to take it for granted, but that is because continuous improvement has been that reliable. 2 MP 15" displays were available in 2002 and were a $2000-laptop technology by 2006 if not earlier. It is not surprising that 5 MP 15" displays are $2000-laptop technology six years later.

The retina display is a big jump in display resolution.

Not all areas of tech allow this kind of big jump. For instance, battery life, or spinning disk access times.

So the new display technology is notable in that regard.

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One further note on hardware quality: Perceived hardware quality is something Apple is fantastic at. Their laptops look and feel great. They feel like they'll last decades. This is misleading since they're actually built to be disposable. e.g. If you spill coffee on your Macbook Air, it's dead. You can't fix it because you can't remove the battery in a timely fashion and don't have the tools to open it. Apple won't f…

> Someone at Samsung is really dropping the ball and I hope they're shown the door soon Amen brother. It's astonishing to me that so much of what Apple creates is actually made by Samsung, and yet they constantly seem so far behind. Have you seen their new 15" Ultrabooks though? They are awesome. 15" screen and weighs more than a pound less than the new MBP (obviously, with tradeoffs) http://www.samsung.com/us/comput…

Uhm, I couldn't find any 15" ultrabooks on their site, just a 14" one. Is that one of the tradeoffs you were talking about? Still a very nice machine!

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I am platform agnostic. That said, the one thing that continues to concern me with Apple is the continuation of their closed philosophy. The Mac App Store being the latest incarnation of their quest for total control. I, frankly, don't know what to make of it. An Apple ecosystem would have no competitors. Like it or not, Microsoft enabled an incredible level of global competition that, ultimately, has been responsibl…

Like it or not, Microsoft enabled an incredible level of global competition that, ultimately, has been responsible for bringing us the Internet as we know it That's pretty rich. Networking was a fundamental feature of many operating systems that predate Microsoft's existence . The first web browser was developed not on Windows, but the precursor to OSX (NextSTEP) and MS played catch up in basic browser features aroun…

Re-read what I wrote and think about it. I knew it would be open for creative interpretations like yours.

I did not attribute the Internet to Microsoft.

What I said is that "Microsoft enabled an incredible level of global competition" and it is this competition that, in turn, allowed the internet to evolve into what we have today.

Yes, networking existed way before MS.

Yes, TBL wrote the first browser on NS.

Yes, MS played catch-up with browsers.

That is not the point.

Linux didn't begin life until 1991. By that time the MS-ecosystem-driven PC evolution was very well under way. Linus Torvalds wrote the initial version of Linux on a '386 based PC. By that time PC clones ruled the world. The evolution had gone through the 8086, 80186 and 80286 processors. Machines cost a fraction of what the original true IBM PC cost, were faster and did a lot more.

None of this would have happened with a closed hardware model. In fact, it did not. Apple was around at the same time, of course. They focused on keeping it all to themselves. MS, in turn, just did the software and let everyone else figure out the hardware. Yes, it was chaotic but it worked.

As the internet begun to heat-up it was Linux running on PC hardware that made it explode. The internet required hardware to grow and explode into every corner of the world. It was the cheap PC hardware that resulted from the evolution of the PC around the MS software that, among other things, enabled the internet to explode like it did. Nobody can even attempt to credit Apple with any of that.

Again, I am not anti-Apple here. Among other things, I develop iOS apps and have a nearly equal number of Windows and MacOS machine in the shop. I will likely buy more Apple hardware in the next few months. No issues there.

My original post was not about bashing Apple, it was to highlight my concern for the increasing closed-everything (not just hardware) approach Apple is taking --which is a fact. In some cases it is almost despotic. As a developer, that concerns me a great deal. As a consumer, I prefer to see competition at all levels. I'd really like to see Apple open-up.

  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Linux
  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Apple_Inc.
  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_personal_computers#The_IBM_PC
  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Web_browser
  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_web_browsers
  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WorldWideWeb
  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mosaic_(web_browser)
  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_web_browsers

Re: MacBook Pro gets Retina Display; MacBook Air updated with Ivy Bridge

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It looks great. But I think I'm waiting to see how hot this machine gets. It's more compact and still has an 85W power adapter. Because of the higher DPI, it's pushing a lot more pixels even doing menial stuff. For perspective: my (larger) 2010 MBP 15" w/SSD gets very warm even when not doing anything with the GPU. Compiling in IntelliJ will get it to burn your lap off. When I've tried to use it to play games, it pra…

The GT 650 has NVidia's Optimus technology, so it should be OK if you're not doing 3D stuff. That said, with an 1800p display, anything that touches the GPU is going to peg it, and I have no doubt the machine will get quite hot under these circumstances.

Well, right now my 2010 MBP is driving my cinema display for just reading email and stuff and is baking hot on the bottom. This is the trade-off with this newer machine, I suspect. It packs a ton of power in a smaller space... that just generates a lot of heat.

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I get little hints of Apple losing it's finesse. The plugs are on either side of the new MacBooks, a detail that Apple previously didn't miss. And two Thunderbolts? Does anyone here actually have a thunderbolt device?

I think they might be trying to use Thunderbolt to replace the Mac Pro. It doesn't fit all use cases, but the new MBP with a Thunderbolt display and external drive array would get pretty close for many users.

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post #219

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We need to remember that it's the nature of technology to continuously improve. We tend to take it for granted, but that is because continuous improvement has been that reliable. 2 MP 15" displays were available in 2002 and were a $2000-laptop technology by 2006 if not earlier. It is not surprising that 5 MP 15" displays are $2000-laptop technology six years later.

The retina display is a big jump in display resolution. Not all areas of tech allow this kind of big jump. For instance, battery life, or spinning disk access times. So the new display technology is notable in that regard.

Notable? Yes. Mind-blowing? Nah.

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I get little hints of Apple losing it's finesse. The plugs are on either side of the new MacBooks, a detail that Apple previously didn't miss. And two Thunderbolts? Does anyone here actually have a thunderbolt device?

Two thunderbolts so you can use a TB->gig-E or TB-FW800 adapter.

And yes, thunderbolt devices are really, really fast. I have a TB RAID and a TB display on my MBP.

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I don't think you'll be alone. With the retina MacBook Pros, Apple really is throwing down the gauntlet here. And not just because of their advantage in hardware; Windows is notoriously hard to program for in a resolution independent way, and the first double resolution laptop displays are going to cause early adopters no end of pain. Even if Windows 8 brings APIs to fix it, the long tail of apps are not going to be…

> Windows is notoriously hard to program for in a resolution independent way Really? Using which API?

Well, you can use WPF and that pretty much takes care of it from the ground up, but Win32 was never designed to do that.

My point is that the long tail of apps in the wild are going to be problematic, regardless of what new apps do.

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Agreed on the "perceived" quality. Based on my experiences, I'd bet money that if you compared a 3-year-old Thinkpad to a 3-year-old Mac, the Thinkpad would be in far better shape.

I'll have to disagree with you as I own both a 3 year old Thinkpad and a 2 year old Macbook Pro. The keyboard of my Thinkpad has been giving me problems for over a year, and I haven't had any problems with the keyboard on my Macbook.

Oh well, my old Mac keyboard crapped out. And my Thinkpad's is fine. I reckon though the Thinkpad's would be cheaper to replace.
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