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Strategy for EU Bootstrapping Hardware Startups: Don't Sell to Anyone in EU

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Re: Strategy for EU Bootstrapping Hardware Startups: Don't Sell to Anyone in EU

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People are going to point out flaws or loopholes they know about that would be even easier, but they’re missing the point: it was not possible for someone genuinely in the process of launching a product to find out. My side business was a small tool which was just a 3d printed case with an ESP32 I programmed w/ some small electronics and I sold it as is online. US + local government made sure there was zero friction…

Are you sure that would actually happen in Germany? In Norway (which has the same rules), most likely no-one would care - unless the electronics actually ended up in a safety hazard (say fire).

Re: Strategy for EU Bootstrapping Hardware Startups: Don't Sell to Anyone in EU

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I would love for the people to stop being ignorant and finally realise that "The UE" is not a country... it's a union of 27 diverse countries/economies/cultures... Each one having own interests so managing (and sometimes pushing) to integrate that is just plain difficult... And if you apply to much force the counterforces emerge…

Re: Strategy for EU Bootstrapping Hardware Startups: Don't Sell to Anyone in EU

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post #6

The first question about Chesterton fences is: why is it there?

Correct. On the other hand, Europe (and especially my home Germany) tend to be really bad at navigating people through the laws and regulations they create. Laypeople are left to figure out what the laws are, what they mean, how to follow them, where to get the required certifications etc. My first year of running a simple business in Germany was unbelievably confusing. My only saving grace was that none of those law…

> Europe (and especially my home Germany)

Europe/EU is not Germany… and Germany is infamous for it's dumb redtape and being stuck in "their ways" (if it works then it works then there is no need to change that" seems to be a proverb there, inni't?)

Besides - in majority of the countries you have to navigate the laws… either yourself or you get an expert/lawyer that does that for you o_O

Re: Strategy for EU Bootstrapping Hardware Startups: Don't Sell to Anyone in EU

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post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Correct. On the other hand, Europe (and especially my home Germany) tend to be really bad at navigating people through the laws and regulations they create. Laypeople are left to figure out what the laws are, what they mean, how to follow them, where to get the required certifications etc. My first year of running a simple business in Germany was unbelievably confusing. My only saving grace was that none of those law…

> Europe (and especially my home Germany) Europe/EU is not Germany… and Germany is infamous for it's dumb redtape and being stuck in "their ways" (if it works then it works then there is no need to change that" seems to be a proverb there, inni't?) Besides - in majority of the countries you have to navigate the laws… either yourself or you get an expert/lawyer that does that for you o_O

I did business in Poland, Czech Republic, Slovakia, Hungary, Croatia, Slovenia, Estonia and Sweden. It was a total shitshow, and I moved it all to UK, which is much better (especially the gov.uk site is a godsend).

Re: Strategy for EU Bootstrapping Hardware Startups: Don't Sell to Anyone in EU

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What does the author mean here when referring to customs when shipping products from within the EU to other EU countries? The EU has a customs union...

The VAT per country can be a bit of a pain but is a solved problem (Shopify, Amazon, can all take care of it easily).

Re: Strategy for EU Bootstrapping Hardware Startups: Don't Sell to Anyone in EU

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People are going to point out flaws or loopholes they know about that would be even easier, but they’re missing the point: it was not possible for someone genuinely in the process of launching a product to find out. My side business was a small tool which was just a 3d printed case with an ESP32 I programmed w/ some small electronics and I sold it as is online. US + local government made sure there was zero friction…

It's almost like free enterprise is one of the scariest things to those who would much prefer bureaucracy & monarchy.

You think Germany has a monarchy??

Re: Strategy for EU Bootstrapping Hardware Startups: Don't Sell to Anyone in EU

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People are going to point out flaws or loopholes they know about that would be even easier, but they’re missing the point: it was not possible for someone genuinely in the process of launching a product to find out. My side business was a small tool which was just a 3d printed case with an ESP32 I programmed w/ some small electronics and I sold it as is online. US + local government made sure there was zero friction…

It's almost like free enterprise is one of the scariest things to those who would much prefer bureaucracy & monarchy.

so the American president can prosecuted for crime he or she did during the presidency? ;)

Re: Strategy for EU Bootstrapping Hardware Startups: Don't Sell to Anyone in EU

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's almost like free enterprise is one of the scariest things to those who would much prefer bureaucracy & monarchy.

You think Germany has a monarchy??

Are you one of the ones who would prefer it that way?

Actually I think it goes something like this:

Q. You think Germany has a monarchy??

Answers own Q with clenched fist. I'll show you a monarchy !!

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