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MacBook Pro gets Retina Display; MacBook Air updated with Ivy Bridge

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Re: MacBook Pro gets Retina Display; MacBook Air updated with Ivy Bridge

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Post by drivebyacct2 »

robomartin wrote: post #334
drivebyacct2 wrote: post #107

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is just rich to me. Yes, enjoy your Visual Studio and broken command line, I'll be using lightweight tools and an actual POSIX command line. *edit: Wow, -10? Sorry, I was just sharing my experience of being mocked by people who proudly brag about their Windows 7 machine and are barely proficient at .NET programming who give me a hard time because "Macs are lame and Windows is for geeks". Didn't know there were s…

I don't believe in down-voting without an explanation. Here's mine: These Mac vx. PC arguments now beyond ridiculous. To those of us for whom computers are tools and not just a way to get on Facebook the metric should not be emotion or fan-boy-ism but rather applicability, efficiency, utility, cost and other factors. I have a roughly equal number of PC's and Macs. I use both. I enjoy both. I get angry at both. There…

I use Windows on a very, very, very regular basis. My comment has been taken completely out of context. Were we not talking about people who had Macs being mocked for not being geeky enough? I merely offered an anecdote about my peers that ironically tout that line because it's funny.

Ironic that I'm now at -15 for pointing out that in my situation, the opposite was true.

Seriously, which part of my comment has every Windows fan out there thinking I hate Windows? I don't know how that was the takeaway when I was merely remarking on the times where I, like the grandparent, was trolled by Windows users.

Re: MacBook Pro gets Retina Display; MacBook Air updated with Ivy Bridge

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Post by catch23 »

rdl wrote: post #177
Havoc wrote: post #167

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>Lack of gigabit Ethernet on the big pro air makes me sad, though. Presumably the logic is that its all wifi these days anyway.

Except it isn't. The real problem is that the RJ-45 connector is huge and antiquated, so it can't fit on the MBA form factor. I work in a lot of places where GE makes a lot more sense (inside a datacenter, in places which prohibit wireless, or places where you want to be connected to multiple different networks). I guarantee the $99 (?) thunderbolt to gig-e dongle gets left on a cable somewhere several times, which w…

Their docking solution is their thunderbolt display. When I go home, I plug in 2 cables (thunderbolt & power) and I've got everything connected.

Their thunderbolt ethernet adapter is $30: http://store.apple.com/us/product/MD463ZM/A

Re: MacBook Pro gets Retina Display; MacBook Air updated with Ivy Bridge

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Post by drivebyacct2 »

jsprinkles wrote: post #287
drivebyacct2 wrote: post #107

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is just rich to me. Yes, enjoy your Visual Studio and broken command line, I'll be using lightweight tools and an actual POSIX command line. *edit: Wow, -10? Sorry, I was just sharing my experience of being mocked by people who proudly brag about their Windows 7 machine and are barely proficient at .NET programming who give me a hard time because "Macs are lame and Windows is for geeks". Didn't know there were s…

Remember how you were surprised I was accusing you of being a troll a while back? And you were adamant that you aren't, and that I had you all wrong? (Amusing, given your bio.) Now step back and read this comment, as well as your PowerShell response below, then rethink why I'd say that.

Don't you have anything better to do? Did the votes last time not teach you anything? I was offering an anecdote, I'm in a Windows environment more hours a day than OS X or Linux combined.

You're like a badly broken record no matter what it is you're spouting. Seriously where do you get off following me around talking about the same things over and over just to be an obnoxious ass? Just leave me alone, you're creepy and obviously have some misplaced superiority complex, well maybe inferiority given how much you seem to stalk and put me down.

Re: MacBook Pro gets Retina Display; MacBook Air updated with Ivy Bridge

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Post by mrb »

microtonal wrote: post #11
natural219 wrote: post #8

I have been a Windows user my whole life. As a hacker who has recently moved to San Francisco, I've continuously battled Apple fanboys and Linux fanatics alike on why I love Windows and absolutely do not understand why people want to switch platforms. Then I watched this keynote. I'm buying a Macbook Pro.

Why? I have been using a Mac since 2007. So far, I haven't seen anything spectacular in this keynote except for the retina display. But $2199 (probably 2199 Euro in Europe) is a steep price. Edit: Given the lack of real interesting updates in OS X since Leopard and recent iOS versions, I am actually quite interested in Windows 8 and Windows Phone after ~18 years of using Unix-like operating systems and ~5.5 years a M…

Mac Book Pro with Retina display = 2279 EUR in France http://store.apple.com/fr/browse/home/shop_mac/family/macboo...

Re: MacBook Pro gets Retina Display; MacBook Air updated with Ivy Bridge

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Post by rdl »

jsz0 wrote: post #269
rdl wrote: post #177

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Except it isn't. The real problem is that the RJ-45 connector is huge and antiquated, so it can't fit on the MBA form factor. I work in a lot of places where GE makes a lot more sense (inside a datacenter, in places which prohibit wireless, or places where you want to be connected to multiple different networks). I guarantee the $99 (?) thunderbolt to gig-e dongle gets left on a cable somewhere several times, which w…

$30 for the ThunderBolt GigE adapter. It's possible people will lose them but you do have to physically disconnect the RJ45 from it before you can leave (unless you have a very long cable) so it's not a big problem really. Easier to lose your untethered car keys, wallet, etc.

Yeah, at $30 I'm not as upset. I still predict they'll be annoying, but if you bring your own cat5e cable too (vs. plugging into an existing cable), it's less likely it will be left behind. (I'll probably order one for my 2011 MBA anyway).

Keys/wallet/etc. remain in pockets when not in use, though -- so they're a LOT less likely to be abandoned than something which is small, connected to another long cable, etc.

Re: MacBook Pro gets Retina Display; MacBook Air updated with Ivy Bridge

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Post by Lewisham »

hack_edu wrote: post #13

Do any employees know whether or not the new MacBooks are available at retail locations today? edit: Apple Store Berkeley says no.

Apple Store Monterey had no idea, but not today. "We'll know more in a couple of days. We might have them by the end of the week."

I ordered online.

Re: MacBook Pro gets Retina Display; MacBook Air updated with Ivy Bridge

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Post by jamesaguilar »

trimbo wrote: post #277

It looks great. But I think I'm waiting to see how hot this machine gets. It's more compact and still has an 85W power adapter. Because of the higher DPI, it's pushing a lot more pixels even doing menial stuff. For perspective: my (larger) 2010 MBP 15" w/SSD gets very warm even when not doing anything with the GPU. Compiling in IntelliJ will get it to burn your lap off. When I've tried to use it to play games, it pra…

The GT 650 has NVidia's Optimus technology, so it should be OK if you're not doing 3D stuff. That said, with an 1800p display, anything that touches the GPU is going to peg it, and I have no doubt the machine will get quite hot under these circumstances.

Re: MacBook Pro gets Retina Display; MacBook Air updated with Ivy Bridge

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Post by drivebyacct2 »

pook1e wrote: post #197
drivebyacct2 wrote: post #107

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is just rich to me. Yes, enjoy your Visual Studio and broken command line, I'll be using lightweight tools and an actual POSIX command line. *edit: Wow, -10? Sorry, I was just sharing my experience of being mocked by people who proudly brag about their Windows 7 machine and are barely proficient at .NET programming who give me a hard time because "Macs are lame and Windows is for geeks". Didn't know there were s…

Just because they don't use OS X doesn't mean they use Windows. As a Computer Science student I'm willing to bet that most of those that "banter" on the parent use Linux.

I was talking about specific cases that happened to me, in support of precisely what the GP was describing. I use all major OSes and spend most of my day in Windows. I don't know why or how my comment was perceived the way it was. Clearly I'm wasting my time trying to explain myself.

Re: MacBook Pro gets Retina Display; MacBook Air updated with Ivy Bridge

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Post by bzbarsky »

rdl wrote: post #228
jonknee wrote: post #217

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"Almost no advantage" = thinner laptops. Apple will go for thinner every time (see ethernet for an example).

It's not thinner than the MBA 2011. The MBA 2011 has regular MagSafe. Maybe they needed to go thinner for engineering reasons to put other stuff inside, but that seems lame.

With the MBA 2011 the connector sits very low such that simply putting the laptop down on a couch will disconnect the connector in my experience. It's the #1 issue I've had while trying to use an MBA.

If using a thinner connector let Apple fix that problem, that would be quite nice. Of course it's possible that it didn't. I haven't had a chance to try the new thing.

Re: MacBook Pro gets Retina Display; MacBook Air updated with Ivy Bridge

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Post by rorrr »

jiggy2011 wrote: post #73
LaSombra wrote: post #10

I don't want a "Retina display", I want a true 1920x1080 on my 15" MBP. Apple is trying to impose that density is the same thing as resolution, which is not. A "Retina display" of 2880x1800 is just a "better" 1440x900. Give me the option to choose between double pixels and real pixels and I'll buy thee.

What would happen if you ran Windows or Linux on the MBP? What resolution would you get?

You would get whatever resolution your display/graphic card supports.
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