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Re: Apple iOS6 Preview

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Post by ryannielsen »

mtgx wrote: post #39
ryannielsen wrote: post #26

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I'm really getting sick of this "throw-away hardware" culture that Apple is enforcing. Just because iPad 1 can't run iOS 6 doesn't mean it's suddenly "trash". Also, the first iPad is woefully underpowered – thanks to the display, it's quite memory and graphics constrained. It's entirely possible Apple wasn't willing get new iOS features working well on that hardware, especially considering iPad 1's install base is a…

It supports iPhone 3GS, though, but that does have lower resolution.

Dramatically lower resolution. That's the key – iPad's larger display puts far more pressure on its GPU and, because there's no dedicated VRAM, it also increases the system's memory usage and reduces the amount of free RAM usable by apps. The latter issue is really a serious problem on the first iPad.

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Post by wavephorm »

biot wrote: post #41
wavephorm wrote: post #31

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I don't care about new iOS features, or any of their iCloud nonsense, I know it won't support Siri (ipad1 lacked a microphone). What I do care about is the web browser on my iPad not receiving any software updates... ever. That's a serious problem. Without any software upgrades ever, the iPad will become the future IE. In fact, this is worse because of Apple's closed system they also won't allow 3rd parties to upgrad…

iPad 1 does have a microphone; I use mine for Skype calling at times.

Oops, I've actually never used it. So I guess Siri should be able to work on iPad 1 also. Anything Apple says about the hardware being incapable of using Siri sounds is probably a load of their typical bullshit.

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Post by wavephorm »

quesera wrote: post #47
wavephorm wrote: post #31

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I don't care about new iOS features, or any of their iCloud nonsense, I know it won't support Siri (ipad1 lacked a microphone). What I do care about is the web browser on my iPad not receiving any software updates... ever. That's a serious problem. Without any software upgrades ever, the iPad will become the future IE. In fact, this is worse because of Apple's closed system they also won't allow 3rd parties to upgrad…

iPad 1 does have a microphone. The processor has to wavelet compress the audio and ship it off to Siri for processing. Apple might not be happy with the performance on the original iPad. I recall that someone got it running on a jailbroken device. I don't remember how well it worked.

If other audio recording apps (I've never used any) work just fine then any excuses Apple uses to not support Siri the iPad is a load of bullshit.

Re: Apple iOS6 Preview

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Post by Casc »

Passport could be pretty big... point of sale advertising, in store purchases, promotion, etc... A lot of potential revenue here.

I had an idea similar a while back and then found... http://keyringapp.com/

Apple is in a much better position to launch something like this, as it needs quite a few relationships difficult for a new start up to establish and scale.

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Post by runjake »

wavephorm wrote: post #31
ryannielsen wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm really getting sick of this "throw-away hardware" culture that Apple is enforcing. Just because iPad 1 can't run iOS 6 doesn't mean it's suddenly "trash". Also, the first iPad is woefully underpowered – thanks to the display, it's quite memory and graphics constrained. It's entirely possible Apple wasn't willing get new iOS features working well on that hardware, especially considering iPad 1's install base is a…

I don't care about new iOS features, or any of their iCloud nonsense, I know it won't support Siri (ipad1 lacked a microphone). What I do care about is the web browser on my iPad not receiving any software updates... ever. That's a serious problem. Without any software upgrades ever, the iPad will become the future IE. In fact, this is worse because of Apple's closed system they also won't allow 3rd parties to upgrad…

Apple doesn't pretend anything. You're just making reasons up. They didn't state any reason for not providing iOS 6 for the first iPad. They are a company. Common sense dictates that if they saw a viable reason to invest the resources into the first iPad, they would have.

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Post by technoslut »

glogla wrote: post #50
glhaynes wrote: post #24

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Hopefully Google will produce (and be allowed) a Google Maps app for iOS.

And we will see whether Apple will allow such app in their store. I would imagine they will not, because they would rather have people using their own maps, but perhaps they will be benevolent this time.

If I had to guess, Google will attempt to get it into the App Store before iOS 6 is released. Apple will probably end up delaying approval of the app for a few months after iOS 6 to let users become accustomed to using their own solution.

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Post by mikeash »

wavephorm wrote: post #2

iOS 6 is not compatible with: iPad 1 Damnit, did I just have an aneurism? Seriously, the iPad 1 isn't old (or doesn't feel old to me), and it came out around the same time as the iPod touch 4th generation, which is supported. I'm really getting sick of this "throw-away hardware" culture that Apple is enforcing.

You automatically assume hardware is trash when it doesn't support the latest OS but still works just fine with the older version, and you're blaming Apple for a throw-away culture? I think you need to look in a mirror....

Re: Apple iOS6 Preview

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Post by mitchellhislop »

glogla wrote: post #50
glhaynes wrote: post #24

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Hopefully Google will produce (and be allowed) a Google Maps app for iOS.

And we will see whether Apple will allow such app in their store. I would imagine they will not, because they would rather have people using their own maps, but perhaps they will be benevolent this time.

Apple seems to have moved away from disallowing apps for "duplicate core functionality" - we have GVoice, Sparrow, Camera+ now. I don't see how they could not allow it.

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Post by vijaykiran »

JoeCortopassi wrote: post #51
astral303 wrote: post #37

Maps with turn-by-turn navigation (long overdue) and transit APIs sound very promising. Having portable maps is one of the key strengths of a smartphone and this kind of lower-level integration now kicks it up a notch. He mentioned "biking and hiking" for the transit apps: that's exciting! Also, turn-by-turn navigation has this "overview" mode--tap it and you exit the forced-point-of-view navigation and get to pan ar…

Maps in iOS6 look great, but will moving away from Google break legacy apps for <5.1? I'm sure main stuff will integrate pretty seamlessly, but what about the little stuff? (e.g. in a UIWebView, if I make a link to google maps, when the user clicks it, they are taken to the Map app). In the long run, it's the right decision, I'm just eager to test some of our MapKit apps on iOS6, to see what breaks

FWIW, my small app which uses MKMapView just to show a location - works fine on iOS6 as is. Of course. I'd guess that API (is and) will be backward compatible.

Re: Apple iOS6 Preview

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Post by quesera »

wavephorm wrote: post #63
quesera wrote: post #47

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iPad 1 does have a microphone. The processor has to wavelet compress the audio and ship it off to Siri for processing. Apple might not be happy with the performance on the original iPad. I recall that someone got it running on a jailbroken device. I don't remember how well it worked.

If other audio recording apps (I've never used any) work just fine then any excuses Apple uses to not support Siri the iPad is a load of bullshit.

It's not that simple.

Recording is easy. Dump the ADC output to a buffer and call it a WAV file. Or an AU.

Sending it to Siri requires chunking the audio into small pieces, compressing them with a wavelet table (I'm assuming here, my DSP knowledge is a bit dated), and shipping them off to North Carolina.

If this can't be done quickly, Siri appears to suck. Apple is religiously conservative about enabling features on hardware that might cause the experience to suck.

Audio compression was a slow thing on desktop computers when desktop computers had similar specs to the first iPad. I'm no authority, but this seems like a relevant detail to me.

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