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Google's Gemini AI caught scanning Google Drive PDF files without permission

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Re: Google's Gemini AI caught scanning Google Drive PDF files without permission

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Every single week I have to refuse enabling back up for my pictures on my Google pixel. I refuse it today, next week I open the app and the UI shows the back up option enabled with a button "continue using the app with back up". Somebody took the time to talk down my comment about this being a strategy to give their AI more training data. I continue believing that if they have your data they will use it.

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Re: Google's Gemini AI caught scanning Google Drive PDF files without permission

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Just reiterates that you don't own your data hosted on cloud providers; this time there's a clear sign, but I can guarantee that google's systems read and aggregated data inside your private docs ages ago. This concern was first raised when Gmail started, 20 years ago now; at the time people reeled at the idea of "google reads your emails to give you ads", but at the same time the 1 GB inbox and fresh UI was a compel…

re: data on cloud providers: I trust ProtonDrive to not use my data because it is encrypted in transit and in place. Apple now encrypts most data in transit and in place also, and they document which data is protected. I am up in the air on whether a future Apple will want to use my data for training public models. Apple’s design of pre trained core LLMs, with local training of pluggable fine tuning layers would seem…

All it takes is a "simple" typo in the code that checks if the user has granted access to their content. Something as amateur (which I still find myself occasionally doing) as "if (allowInvasiveScanning = true)" that goes "undetected" for any period of time gives them the a way out yet still gains them access to all the things. Just scanning these docs one time is all they need.

Re: Google's Gemini AI caught scanning Google Drive PDF files without permission

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Meta commentary but still relevant I think: The author first refers to his source as Kevin Bankston in the article's subtitle. This is also the name shown in the embedded tweet. But the following two references call him Kevin _Bankster_ (which seems like an amusing portmanteau of banker and gangster I guess). Is the author not proofreading his own copy? Are there no editors? If the author can't even keep the name of…

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Re: Google's Gemini AI caught scanning Google Drive PDF files without permission

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Just reiterates that you don't own your data hosted on cloud providers; this time there's a clear sign, but I can guarantee that google's systems read and aggregated data inside your private docs ages ago. This concern was first raised when Gmail started, 20 years ago now; at the time people reeled at the idea of "google reads your emails to give you ads", but at the same time the 1 GB inbox and fresh UI was a compel…

Of course Google reads and aggregates data inside your private docs. How would it provide search over your documents otherwise?

When I hit search, do the search right then. Don't grep out of a stored cache of prior searches.

Re: Google's Gemini AI caught scanning Google Drive PDF files without permission

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The title misleads the point, and the article is, imoo, badly written. The post implies there is indeed a setting to turn it off. So the author deliberately asked Gemini AI to summarize (so, scan) its documents... Related to this news: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40934670

"There is a setting to turn it off" is nowhere near equivalent to "the author deliberately asked for documents to be scanned". Also, see: "What's more, Bankston did eventually find the settings toggle in question... only to find that Gemini summaries in Gmail, Drive, and Docs were already disabled"

FTA: For Bankston, the issue seems localized to Google Drive, and only happens after pressing the Gemini button on at least one document. The matching document type (in this case, PDF) will subsequently automatically trigger Google Gemini for all future files of the same type opened within Google Drive.

The author deliberately asked for at least one document to be scanned. He goes on to talk about all the other things that might be overriding the setting, other, potentially more specific settings that would override this.

I agree, there appear to be interactions that aren't immediately obvious, and what takes priority isn't clear. However, the setting was off, and the author did deliberately ask for at least one document to be scanned. Further, there author talks about Labs being on, and that could easily have priority over default settings. After all, that's sort of what Labs is about. Experimenting with stuff and giving approval to do these sorts of things.

Re: Google's Gemini AI caught scanning Google Drive PDF files without permission

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The title is misleading, isn't it? I was expecting this was scanning for training or testing or something, but this is summarization of articles the user is looking at, so "caught" is disingenous. You don't "catch" people doing things they tell you they are doing, while they're doing it.

Re: Google's Gemini AI caught scanning Google Drive PDF files without permission

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we should just embrace digital copying galore instead of trying to digitalize the physical constraints of regular assets

we should just ignore physical constraints of assets which do not have them, like any and all digital data

which do you prefer? everybody can access all digital data of everybody (read only mode), or what we have now which is trending towards having so many microtransactions that every keystroke gets reflected in my bank account

Re: Google's Gemini AI caught scanning Google Drive PDF files without permission

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The title is misleading, isn't it? I was expecting this was scanning for training or testing or something, but this is summarization of articles the user is looking at, so "caught" is disingenous. You don't "catch" people doing things they tell you they are doing, while they're doing it.

He had the permissions turned off, so regardless of what it did with the document, it did it without permission! The title is correct!
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