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Nevada’s public employee pension fund invests passively and beats peers (2016)

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Re: Nevada’s public employee pension fund invests passively and beats peers (2016)

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I dont have a dog in this hunt but that seems like a strangely aggressive response. Perhaps the comment meant nothing more than that plaintext HN is a difficult place to start having a discussion that really requires some mathematical machinery, and therefore, since we cant throw around sigmas and integral signs here, we will make some assumptions. Attacking the comment with sarcasm isn't in the spirit of HN even if…

>I dont have a dog in this hunt but that seems like a strangely aggressive response. Well I do and as someone who has seen his other posts on this subject as well, he has a tendency to try to dismiss differing points of views on the basis that he has 20 years of experience and knows better than everyone else but can't be bothered to explain it. Someone who has experience and wants to flaunt that experience should do…

    > decades of experience working at a quant firm
Has quant finance existed for "decades"?

Re: Nevada’s public employee pension fund invests passively and beats peers (2016)

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I started my investing journey about 5 years ago, started with stock picking, and my average yearly return is... 4.5% p.a. I would've 100% been better of investing in a low fee index fund, like S&P500 (VOO), or even just a world ETF like VT. I picked some winners, like Microsoft / Google, both up 150%, but they're tiny fraction of my total portfolio, so hardly returned anything all counted up. I did 170% at one point…

Thanks for the assumed honest post. How are your returns after switching to indexed?

Up 13% since March. (I only recently switched to index funds, so far it's good)

Re: Nevada’s public employee pension fund invests passively and beats peers (2016)

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> Don't discount the knowledge you have from being deep into an industry. [...] diverse portfolio It's worth emphasizing that investing in the same sector that you are employed-in is actually a kind of anti-diversification, and it won't usually show up using "rate my portfolio" tools. The archetypal example that comes to mind--unusually extreme but illustrative--would be all those Enron employees who invested their 4…

1. It's normal in the tech industry to own a lot of stock in the company you work for. Investing in a vendor (in Nvidia's case) or another adjacent company is lower risk. You cannot avoid risk in investing, it's a natural part of the situation. 2. You can avoid the sell low situation by having 3-6 months of expenses saved in an emergency savings account. With all the layoffs in the last few years everyone should have…

Owning a lot of stock in the company you work for is another good reason not to concentrate more of your portfolio in the same industry.

Re: Nevada’s public employee pension fund invests passively and beats peers (2016)

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1. It's normal in the tech industry to own a lot of stock in the company you work for. Investing in a vendor (in Nvidia's case) or another adjacent company is lower risk. You cannot avoid risk in investing, it's a natural part of the situation. 2. You can avoid the sell low situation by having 3-6 months of expenses saved in an emergency savings account. With all the layoffs in the last few years everyone should have…

> You can avoid the sell low situation by having 3-6 months of expenses saved in an emergency savings account. I see this (3-6 mos savings) constantly quoted in basic personal mgmt blog posts, but it seems unrealistic for most. Seriously, what percentage of people in OECD can do this? Surely, less than 5%. I am not sure it is great advice because it is discouragingly unrealistic for most. The average person has out o…

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Re: Nevada’s public employee pension fund invests passively and beats peers (2016)

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Index funds are not some clever hack, they are just tracking the combined productivity of the publicly traded companies that make them up. Whole market, or the top 500 as a representative slice, whatever. When you buy the whole US market for example you are saying, "I strongly believe that the overwhelming majority of companies in the US want to make shitloads of money and pass it down to themselves and their shareho…

Something I've wondered is how index funds effect companies entering the index for the first time. Like, let's say there's a company (TryerCo) that is the 501st biggest in the US. Big, but still one step away from being in the S&P 500. Then, one of the S&P 500s collapse. They exit the index, and TryerCo enters the index at position 500, despite no material change since the day before. Doesn't this mean a whole _heap_…

You can search for research that studies this exact index effect. Short term: yes, but it wears off quickly.

Re: Nevada’s public employee pension fund invests passively and beats peers (2016)

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The best approximation I’ve found is S&P has this Top 10 index[1]. Over the last 10 years it has performed 18% annually vs 11% for the overall S&P 500, but that’s obviously been a historic bull run in large cap growth stocks. I can’t find data going back to 2000 to see how that strategy would have played out, but curious if someone else finds it or crunches the numbers. 1. https://www.spglobal.com/spdji/en/indices/eq…

Yeah, for what it's worth, my financial advisor is pushing me towards more value stocks and some more bonds. (I am somewhat older as well in addition to be in a position where being conservative makes sense.) Was just doing some research.

What do you pay for that advice?

Re: Nevada’s public employee pension fund invests passively and beats peers (2016)

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1. It's normal in the tech industry to own a lot of stock in the company you work for. Investing in a vendor (in Nvidia's case) or another adjacent company is lower risk. You cannot avoid risk in investing, it's a natural part of the situation. 2. You can avoid the sell low situation by having 3-6 months of expenses saved in an emergency savings account. With all the layoffs in the last few years everyone should have…

> You can avoid the sell low situation by having 3-6 months of expenses saved in an emergency savings account. I see this (3-6 mos savings) constantly quoted in basic personal mgmt blog posts, but it seems unrealistic for most. Seriously, what percentage of people in OECD can do this? Surely, less than 5%. I am not sure it is great advice because it is discouragingly unrealistic for most. The average person has out o…

Check out https://earlyretirementnow.com/2021/05/26/the-emergency-fund... from Early Retirement Now. He also links to other posts debunking the need for emergency savings.

Re: Nevada’s public employee pension fund invests passively and beats peers (2016)

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1. It's normal in the tech industry to own a lot of stock in the company you work for. Investing in a vendor (in Nvidia's case) or another adjacent company is lower risk. You cannot avoid risk in investing, it's a natural part of the situation. 2. You can avoid the sell low situation by having 3-6 months of expenses saved in an emergency savings account. With all the layoffs in the last few years everyone should have…

> You can avoid the sell low situation by having 3-6 months of expenses saved in an emergency savings account. I see this (3-6 mos savings) constantly quoted in basic personal mgmt blog posts, but it seems unrealistic for most. Seriously, what percentage of people in OECD can do this? Surely, less than 5%. I am not sure it is great advice because it is discouragingly unrealistic for most. The average person has out o…

It may be unrealistic for many people, but it should not be unrealistic for the subset of people who have available funds to invest in the stock market, which is who the GP's advice is for. Putting money into stocks before you have an emergency fund is bad prioritisation.

Re: Nevada’s public employee pension fund invests passively and beats peers (2016)

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Anecdotally I can confirm there's been a few 40% years in the past decade, but it really is a gamble, and because of survivorship bias it's easy to only hear about the ones that gained and not the ones that lost.

I started my investing journey about 5 years ago, started with stock picking, and my average yearly return is... 4.5% p.a. I would've 100% been better of investing in a low fee index fund, like S&P500 (VOO), or even just a world ETF like VT. I picked some winners, like Microsoft / Google, both up 150%, but they're tiny fraction of my total portfolio, so hardly returned anything all counted up. I did 170% at one point…

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Re: Nevada’s public employee pension fund invests passively and beats peers (2016)

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post #292

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> Don't discount the knowledge you have from being deep into an industry. [...] diverse portfolio It's worth emphasizing that investing in the same sector that you are employed-in is actually a kind of anti-diversification, and it won't usually show up using "rate my portfolio" tools. The archetypal example that comes to mind--unusually extreme but illustrative--would be all those Enron employees who invested their 4…

1. It's normal in the tech industry to own a lot of stock in the company you work for. Investing in a vendor (in Nvidia's case) or another adjacent company is lower risk. You cannot avoid risk in investing, it's a natural part of the situation. 2. You can avoid the sell low situation by having 3-6 months of expenses saved in an emergency savings account. With all the layoffs in the last few years everyone should have…

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