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Just Be Rich (2021)

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Re: Just Be Rich (2021)

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Right now, there is a guy in a garage founding the next billion dollar company, doing something we all will wish we thought of.

Maybe it is a sun room. I hope it is a sun room since I am in one right now and I want to be that person!

Stop wanting and start doing!

Re: Just Be Rich (2021)

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post #60

> You would think, after having been on the side of labor in its fight with capital for almost two centuries, that the far left would be happy that labor has finally prevailed. PG does make a reasonable point here. Capital is much less of a barrier than in the past for starting a business. A small group of people with no outside investment can do a lot of damage.

At least half of the recent YC batch is in AI, and building models is not cheap (or startup cheap any how).

Re: Just Be Rich (2021)

#113

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Right now, there is a guy in a garage founding the next billion dollar company, doing something we all will wish we thought of.

Partly helped by guys having it easier fundraising.

Elizabeth Holmes didn't have problems raising funds. She was rather spectacular at it.

Re: Just Be Rich (2021)

#114

The part everyone always glosses over is: If the rich are taxed more, will the government equitably distribute that money to the middle class? Defense contractors make hundreds of millions of dollars from government funds. We just assumed that tax money will go to the middle class but it's also likely to go to another rich person.

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Re: Just Be Rich (2021)

#115

The part everyone always glosses over is: If the rich are taxed more, will the government equitably distribute that money to the middle class? Defense contractors make hundreds of millions of dollars from government funds. We just assumed that tax money will go to the middle class but it's also likely to go to another rich person.

Defense contractors employ a lot of (real, not javascript) engineers with good salaries

and then those salaries get taxed again

and then they pay for government meteorologists

and then those salaries get taxed again

and then they pay for construction

Government spending is a fantastic deal because they automatically get a huge discount in the form of being able to tax what they give you.

That's why privatization is theoretically far below optimal.

After all, when there's a big fuckin' hole in the road at least you can call someone, which wouldn't be true if Google were building roads.

Re: Just Be Rich (2021)

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post #21

"Paul paints a rosy picture but doesn't mention that incomes for lower and middle-class families have fallen since the 80s." Doesn't look like it: median income in 2019 was $44K, in 2001 it was $31K. That's adjusted for inflation. Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Income_in_the_United_States I don't like it when the facts look wrong after two minutes' googling.

Dam, I didn't know the 80s started in 2001. Or is it just that that's the chart you can find with "two minutes' googling" and so that has to be good enough because that's the amount of effort it takes to find something that vaguely seems to satisfy your confirmation bias? Okay, though, let's just look at the chart you link. Let's assume that "inflation adjusted dollars" tracks purchasing power parity perfectly over t…

let's just do away with any attempt at sticking to the facts, and stick to the vibe of the thing.

to me, you are doing the nitpicking. picking 2001 was generous, the growth is far greater if you look back to the 80s.

Re: Just Be Rich (2021)

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Noahopinion has a very recent interesting article on wealth and taxation. It makes me mad because it contradicts a lot of cherished ideas I have about the rich and taxation, but probably makes sense in this conversation: https://www.noahpinion.blog/p/theres-not-that-much-wealth-in...

Wealth is unelected power, a bug. It’s reasonable to say there should be limits on wealth, considering most wealthy people were lucky (either by birth or “right place right time”) but attempt to post rationalize it as anything else. Would you want someone who won a lottery ticket to have power over your life at scale? Because that’s what excess wealth is, a power dynamic powered by a suboptimal system masquerading as…

Presuming this is correct, what's the better alternative?

Re: Just Be Rich (2021)

#118

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A statement like this probably needs a source or two to first show it is true (wealth taxes actually are causing rich people to flee) second, show that they actually do take their spend/invest/hire money with them and finally that it is harmful that that happens. Leaving creates a vacuum and if the rich really are leaving then it would be a big vacuum that clearly can't be filled with someone else that is rich since…

Jeff Bezos famously left the state just before the Washington's new cap gains tax targeted at him was set to go into effect. I know other people with 8 figure fortunes who left, too. I didn't know it was controversial that spending a lot of money in a local economy makes it more prosperous, and when a big spender leaves, the local economy goes down. The Rust Belt is an example of the latter.

> spending a lot of money in a local economy makes it more prosperous

Do these people really spend a lot of money in the local economy? Realistically, even assuming they pay a couple dozen people $100k/year for service and indulge daily in 3 $500 meals, what will be the actual influence on the local economy?

> The Rust Belt is an example of the latter.

The Rust Belt is an example of what happens when the state allows companies to leave, build their gadgets for a tenth of the price across the Pacific, then sell them back home without serious tariffs; not an example of what happens when Mr. Studebaker or Mrs. Bethlehem Steel leave for Florida.

Re: Just Be Rich (2021)

#119

> Wealth inequality is just a radical left fairy tale to villainize the hard-working 1%. The problem with that mindset is that we know how it's going to end up: it's not only the 0.1% or 1% that are going to suffer the wealth tax. It's the 30%. At first the "tax on billionaire" was supposed to be that: a tax on billionaires. But then there are already publications explaining how "taxing anyone who has more than a mil…

What do the stats say about poverty, access to healthcare, retirement, etc etc in those countries? What about the size of the middle class that you imply are eventually harmed by these policies? If you only bring up stats about GDP and tax rates you miss the point. It is about more people living better lives. History has a lot to say about countries that allow income inequality to get out of hand. Are there actually any good stories of countries that got on the path to massive income inequality and survived?

Re: Just Be Rich (2021)

#120

I live in a country with wealth tax (Norway), and I'm a bit conflicted on it. On one side, it is effectively the only real tax a many in the "ownership class" are paying - relative to their wealth. On the other side, it is a really problematic tax for entrepreneurs. It is downright horrible for startups and scaleups - critical funds that should be used to grow your company, has to be given out in dividends to founder…

Not sure if any counties done this but a solution to wealth tax on startups could be if the government allowed the 1% or similar tax to be paid in equity rather than cash. The shares could then go to a sovereign wealth fund.
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