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MacBook Pro gets Retina Display; MacBook Air updated with Ivy Bridge

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Re: MacBook Pro gets Retina Display; MacBook Air updated with Ivy Bridge

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Post by polycom »

w1ntermute wrote: post #79
huggyface wrote: post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have no interest in such a discussion in this thread, but no, clearly I'm not joking and that rhetorical intro has no place on HN. Microsoft is a disaster currently, their navigation being "react to where Apple was two years ago". It is telling that every Microsoft defense extrapolates some fantastic future of what will be in the world of Microsoft, never using what actually is. But yes, I'm sure your imagination o…

> Microsoft is a walking disaster currently. The problem is perspective. The types of people that spend time on HN don't spend time in the real world, where the current state of affairs is very different from what we think it is. Apple gets a lot of hype, and no doubt the iPhone is very successful (because it was a new type of product), but the iPad is no more than than a glorified toy. Once Windows 8 tablets are rel…

People said that Macs were glorified toys until Windows made GUIs commonplace. I don't know what the future holds but I'm pretty convinced that it is not a hybrid OS like Windows 8.

Re: MacBook Pro gets Retina Display; MacBook Air updated with Ivy Bridge

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natural219 wrote: post #8

I have been a Windows user my whole life. As a hacker who has recently moved to San Francisco, I've continuously battled Apple fanboys and Linux fanatics alike on why I love Windows and absolutely do not understand why people want to switch platforms. Then I watched this keynote. I'm buying a Macbook Pro.

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Re: MacBook Pro gets Retina Display; MacBook Air updated with Ivy Bridge

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Post by bbgm »

untog wrote: post #14

Once you go Air, you never go back. And this year's Air announcement (like last year's) is pretty 'meh', so I'll be keeping with my old faithful 2010 Air for the time being. The retina displays are fantastic, but as a web dev I'm already dreading the merry havoc it's going to wreak with images on web pages. On a wider note, I feel myself... drifting away from all of this. In previous years I would have been all over…

I have a late 2011 Air and it's worth the upgrade from the 2010 Air (which I had before that). I won't be upgrading to the new Air, cause the one I have does very well, but the new 15" MBP is definitely tempting

Re: MacBook Pro gets Retina Display; MacBook Air updated with Ivy Bridge

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Post by mwyvern »

breckinloggins wrote: post #44
ageektrapped wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Speaking as a Windows user who uses a Mac for dev on iOS: you will be frustrated by Mac OS, at least initially. I've been using Mac OS daily for over a year and I still find Windows superior in many ways. This is my opinion, of course. Not trying to change minds or trolling. That retina display is dead sexy though.

I love my Mac (as I said in my reply to OP), but I agree that Mac OS takes some getting used to. Luckily I had some Linux experience before switching so I felt right at home at the terminal. But some things still feel odd to me, even after several years. - The unified menu bar makes sense and saves space, but it's still somewhat disconcerting to someone who is used to their menus having some spatial context with what…

It always shocks me tha Finder doesn't have cmd-X cut... cutting is by far the most frequent operation I do in other non-dual-pane file managers. But what do you like better about windows explorer? Finder's "view as columns" makes it feel a little bit more powerful to me.

Re: MacBook Pro gets Retina Display; MacBook Air updated with Ivy Bridge

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Post by booticon »

phamilton wrote: post #21

I'm curious about Magsafe2. As a student, knowing that 20% of students on campus (those with Apple computers) use the same charger as me, I find it really easy to borrow a cable for 20 minutes to get charged up for class. I'm guessing Magsafe2 isn't compatible with traditional magsafe.

This converter just came up in the store: http://store.apple.com/us/product/MD504ZM/A?

Re: MacBook Pro gets Retina Display; MacBook Air updated with Ivy Bridge

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Post by smackfu »

phamilton wrote: post #21

I'm curious about Magsafe2. As a student, knowing that 20% of students on campus (those with Apple computers) use the same charger as me, I find it really easy to borrow a cable for 20 minutes to get charged up for class. I'm guessing Magsafe2 isn't compatible with traditional magsafe.

They're selling an adapter for a very reasonable $10: http://store.apple.com/us/product/MD504

Re: MacBook Pro gets Retina Display; MacBook Air updated with Ivy Bridge

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Post by Havoc »

rdl wrote: post #28
sciurus wrote: post #25

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The option of 8GB of RAM is nice, since the RAM isn't upgradable.

2010 Air did t have AES-NI either, which made FileVault slow. 2011 MBA just lacks 8gb; I think I will be sticking with mine since I do my heavy VM work on another machine. Lack of gigabit Ethernet on the big pro air makes me sad, though.

>Lack of gigabit Ethernet on the big pro air makes me sad, though.

Presumably the logic is that its all wifi these days anyway.

Re: MacBook Pro gets Retina Display; MacBook Air updated with Ivy Bridge

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Post by ionforce »

jmsduran wrote: post #116
natural219 wrote: post #8

I have been a Windows user my whole life. As a hacker who has recently moved to San Francisco, I've continuously battled Apple fanboys and Linux fanatics alike on why I love Windows and absolutely do not understand why people want to switch platforms. Then I watched this keynote. I'm buying a Macbook Pro.

Although I didn't watch the keynote, I tuned in to the live tweeting CNN gave. Don't get me wrong, Apple's Macbook Pro is a nice piece of hardware, but I failed to see anything earth-shattering in their recent announcements. At a high level, they're really just upgrading to Ivy Bridge, USB 3.0, and Retina displays across their notebook line. Nothing mind-blowing really.

The mind-blowing part is their ability to consistently deliver a stream of updates. The mind-blowing part must be seen a step back, not year to year.

But you're absolutely right. There's nothing in this one single keynote that's like WAPOWW!!!!

Re: MacBook Pro gets Retina Display; MacBook Air updated with Ivy Bridge

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Post by justincormack »

its_so_on wrote: post #145
goatslacker wrote: post #91

Was anyone else expecting a Macbook Air 15" with Retina display?

by removing the hard-drive in lieu of flash and removing the media drive, that's exactly what they've just given you, wouldn't you say? (but with real graphics card so you can actually do something with that beautiful display other than watch HD content stutter. and quad core i7.) granted its not an air, but - are you sure you want one?

I imagine it needs the memory bandwidth of a real card with dedicated RAM to even just composite windows fast, so the air is not an option. This has the benefit of making a bigger difference between the two lines again too, although the 13 inch looks a weak offering now.

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Post by pkamb »

moystard wrote: post #137
microtonal wrote: post #11

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Why? I have been using a Mac since 2007. So far, I haven't seen anything spectacular in this keynote except for the retina display. But $2199 (probably 2199 Euro in Europe) is a steep price. Edit: Given the lack of real interesting updates in OS X since Leopard and recent iOS versions, I am actually quite interested in Windows 8 and Windows Phone after ~18 years of using Unix-like operating systems and ~5.5 years a M…

As much as I love this new Macbook Pro with this beautiful retina display, Mountain Lion is just another iteration in the iOS direction and I still don't like the user experience. As usual, I will use several tools to get back to the old but good desktop metaphor with less shiny but functional features.

The problem will be when Xcode stops working on Snow Leopard.
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